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  1. 21 Jun '13 06:34 / 1 edit
    And all he had to do was leave Clevland to be able to have success in life.
  2. 21 Jun '13 19:11
    success?
  3. 22 Jun '13 04:43
    Originally posted by johnny09
    success?
    Indeed.

    Lebron leaves Clevland to win a couple of world titles.

    The Browns leave Clevland and then win a Super Bowl shortly after.

    I convinced that to prevent the Yankees from ever winning another World Series, all that would need to be done is move them to the mistake by the lake.
  4. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 Jun '13 07:10
    Originally posted by whodey
    And all he had to do was leave Clevland to be able to have success in life.
    Lebron is a fine talent. He's also a self centered jackass
  5. 24 Jun '13 16:01
    Originally posted by bill718
    Lebron is a fine talent. He's also a self centered jackass
    Lebron is the best player in the world and it's not close. You cannot undermine his accomplishments by playing the self-centered jackass card any longer. His decision to go to Miami was clearly for the best. Three trips to the finals and two championships in three years. He has likely made better career decisions than 99% of the people who criticize him.
  6. 24 Jun '13 23:23
    Lebron went from almost being the biggest choker in Finals history to having a shot at passing MJ as the greatest of all time. Seems legit.
  7. 24 Jun '13 23:46
    Do you think the NBA historians will remember that Rose, Rondo, Granger, Kobe, Deng, Lee, and Parker were injured during the playoffs? Or will the NBA historians just remember that Lebron had a great Game 7, that the Heat won the championship, and that Lebron got Finals MVP?
  8. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    24 Jun '13 23:48
    Originally posted by MoneyManMike
    Lebron went from almost being the biggest choker in Finals history to having a shot at passing MJ as the greatest of all time. Seems legit.
    All of these players have more rings than Lebron James does.
    There are several on the list who were better players than Lebron is.

    11 Bill Russell
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    10 Sam Jones
    Boston Celtics
    1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    8 John Havlicek
    Boston Celtics
    1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69, 1973-74, 1975-76
    8 Tom Heinsohn
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65
    8 K.C. Jones
    Boston Celtics
    1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66
    8 Tom Sanders
    Boston Celtics
    1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    7 Robert Horry
    Houston Rockets
    1993-94, 1994-95
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02
    San Antonio Spurs
    2004-05, 2006-07
    7 Jim Loscutoff
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64
    7 Frank Ramsey
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64
    6 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1979-80, 1981-82, 1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    Milwaukee Bucks
    1970-71
    6 Bob Cousy
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63
    6 Michael Jordan
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    6 Scottie Pippen
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    5 Kobe Bryant
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02, 2008-09, 2009-10
    5 Michael Cooper
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1979-80, 1981-82, 1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    5 Derek Fisher
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02, 2008-09, 2009-10
    5 Ron Harper
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01
    5 Magic Johnson
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1979-80, 1981-82, 1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    5 Steve Kerr
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    San Antonio Spurs
    1998-99, 2002-03
    5 Slater Martin
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1949-50, 1951-52, 1952-53, 1953-54
    St. Louis Hawks
    1957-58
    5 George Mikan
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1948-49, 1949-50, 1951-52, 1952-53, 1953-54
    5 Don Nelson
    Boston Celtics
    1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69, 1973-74, 1975-76
    5 Jim Pollard
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1948-49, 1949-50, 1951-52, 1952-53, 1953-54
    5 Dennis Rodman
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    Detroit Pistons
    1988-89, 1989-90
    5 Larry Siegfried
    Boston Celtics
    1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    4 Tim Duncan
    San Antonio Spurs
    1998-99, 2002-03, 2004-05, 2006-07
    4 Horace Grant
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    Los Angeles Lakers
    2000-01
    4 Gene Guarilia
    Boston Celtics
    1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63
    4 Vern Mikkelsen
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1949-50, 1951-52, 1952-53, 1953-54
    4 Shaquille O'Neal
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02
    Miami Heat
    2005-06
    4 Robert Parish
    Boston Celtics
    1980-81, 1983-84, 1985-86
    Chicago Bulls
    1996-97
    4 Will Perdue
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    San Antonio Spurs
    1998-99
    4 Kurt Rambis
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1981-82, 1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    4 John Salley
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96
    Detroit Pistons
    1988-89, 1989-90
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00
    4 Pep Saul
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1951-52, 1952-53, 1953-54
    Rochester Royals
    1950-51
    4 Bill Sharman
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61
    4 Jamaal Wilkes
    Golden State Warriors
    1974-75
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1979-80, 1981-82, 1984-85
    3 B.J. Armstrong
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 Larry Bird
    Boston Celtics
    1980-81, 1983-84, 1985-86
    3 Bruce Bowen
    San Antonio Spurs
    2002-03, 2004-05, 2006-07
    3 Randy Brown
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    3 Jud Buechler
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    3 Bill Cartwright
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 Sam Cassell
    Boston Celtics
    2007-08
    Houston Rockets
    1993-94, 1994-95
    3 Gene Conley
    Boston Celtics
    1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61
    3 James Edwards
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96
    Detroit Pistons
    1988-89, 1989-90
    3 Mario Elie
    Houston Rockets
    1993-94, 1994-95
    San Antonio Spurs
    1998-99
    3 Rick Fox
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02
    3 Devean George
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02
    3 Manu Ginobili
    San Antonio Spurs
    2002-03, 2004-05, 2006-07
    3 A.C. Green
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1986-87, 1987-88, 1999-00
    3 Bob Harrison
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1949-50, 1951-52, 1952-53
    3 Udonis Haslem
    Miami Heat
    2005-06, 2011-12, 2012-13
    3 Gerald Henderson
    Boston Celtics
    1980-81, 1983-84
    Detroit Pistons
    1989-90
    3 Dennis Johnson
    Boston Celtics
    1983-84, 1985-86
    Seattle Supersonics
    1978-79
    3 Stacey King
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 Toni Kukoc
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    3 Mitch Kupchak
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1981-82, 1984-85
    Washington Bullets
    1977-78
    3 Luc Longley
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    3 Clyde Lovellette
    Boston Celtics
    1962-63, 1963-64
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1953-54
    3 Kevin McHale
    Boston Celtics
    1980-81, 1983-84, 1985-86
    3 Willie Naulls
    Boston Celtics
    1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66
    3 Tony Parker
    San Antonio Spurs
    2002-03, 2004-05, 2006-07
    3 John Paxson
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 Byron Scott
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    3 Brian Shaw
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02
    3 Paul Silas
    Boston Celtics
    1973-74, 1975-76
    Seattle Supersonics
    1978-79
    3 Dickey Simpkins
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    3 Whitey Skoog
    Minneapolis Lakers
    1951-52, 1952-53, 1953-54
    3 Dwyane Wade
    Miami Heat
    2005-06, 2011-12, 2012-13
    3 Bill Wennington
    Chicago Bulls
    1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98
    3 Scott Williams
    Chicago Bulls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 James Worthy
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jun '13 15:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    All of these players have more rings than Lebron James does.
    There are several on the list who were better players than Lebron is.

    11 Bill Russell
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    10 Sam Jones
    Boston Celtics
    1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64 ls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 James Worthy
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    It's hard to compare Centers with other players but surely on that list only Russell and Abdul-Jabbar would be considered "great" players. Of the other players, only MJ, Bird and Magic would seriously be considered better players than LeBron. James is 28; MJ won his first title at that age and Larry had 2 by that time (same as Lebron). Only Magic had more titles (4) than LeBron. Kareem had won only 1 by age 28 though Russell had 5.

    EDIT: Kobe should be added to that list; 3 titles by age 28.
  10. 25 Jun '13 15:30
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It's hard to compare Centers with other players but surely on that list only Russell and Abdul-Jabbar would be considered "great" players. Of the other players, only MJ, Bird and Magic would seriously be considered better players than LeBron. James is 28; MJ won his first title at that age and Larry had 2 by that time (same as Lebron). Only Magic had mor ...[text shortened]... age 28 though Russell had 5.

    EDIT: Kobe should be added to that list; 3 titles by age 28.
    Yep.

    Not sure what SC's point was in posting that copypasta list. LBJ's career is nowhere near finished.
  11. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    25 Jun '13 23:04
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    All of these players have more rings than Lebron James does.
    There are several on the list who were better players than Lebron is.

    11 Bill Russell
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    10 Sam Jones
    Boston Celtics
    1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64 ...[text shortened]... s
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 James Worthy
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
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    I don't think you have provided enough data, you must include more!
  12. Subscriber SmookieP
    Lead, Follow, or..
    30 Jun '13 09:13
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    All of these players have more rings than Lebron James does.
    There are several on the list who were better players than Lebron is.

    11 Bill Russell
    Boston Celtics
    1956-57, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69
    10 Sam Jones
    Boston Celtics
    1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1963-64 ...[text shortened]... ls
    1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93
    3 James Worthy
    Los Angeles Lakers
    1984-85, 1986-87, 1987-88
    This to me is the biggest waste of time on RHP. showing all the people who have more rings? and then side note "some" are better? LOL
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    30 Jun '13 19:25
    Originally posted by Zamboner
    Lebron is the best player in the world and it's not close. You cannot undermine his accomplishments by playing the self-centered jackass card any longer. His decision to go to Miami was clearly for the best. Three trips to the finals and two championships in three years. He has likely made better career decisions than 99% of the people who criticize him.
    I don't think most people have a problem with him going to Miami. What I do have a problem with was him claiming to to love the city of Cleveland, his home area, etc. etc. and then arranging himself a 1 hour special on ESPN in the off season with Jim Gray to give Cleveland the finger for a full hour.
  14. 01 Jul '13 01:35
    Originally posted by sh76
    I don't think most people have a problem with him going to Miami. What I do have a problem with was him claiming to to love the city of Cleveland, his home area, etc. etc. and then arranging himself a 1 hour special on ESPN in the off season with Jim Gray to give Cleveland the finger for a full hour.
    It reminds me of what Art Model of the Ravens did after moving the team out of Clevland and then winning a Super Bowl in Baltimore. When he got the trophy on the field, the first thing he did was thank the fans in Clevland for their support all those years.

    LOL.

    It was like watching salt get poured on a slug.