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  1. 10 Nov '09 00:50
    Several months ago we discussed Vick, redemption, second chances, etc. I hate "I told you so" lines, but here it comes. Vick is whining about his role in Phille. They give him a chance and this is how he repays the Eagles! What an ingrate!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Michael-Vick-doesn-t-sound-so-thrilled-about-bei?urn=nfl,201166
  2. 10 Nov '09 15:04 / 2 edits
    I don't blame Vick for being frustrated. I'm sure any other NFL QB in his position would feel the same way. As for his having a negative impact, someone at NBC stuck a microphone in his face and Vick actually gave an honest response. Big deal. I wish more players would give something besides giving the usual batch of cliches when interviewed.

    The big problem for Vick is that he hasn't played in so long -- he needs to see regular playing time if he's ever going to get his game back. Ideally, the Eagles would trade Vick to some team desperately in need of a QB and willing to give him a chance to get back into his groove.

    As for the Wildcat, you'd think Vick would be especially well-suited for it. But some offensive coordinator needs to develop a system designed to maximize Vick's skills. Then again, Vick is a one-man Wildcat all by himself, so maybe it's kind of silly to use the "Wildcat" when he's in the game. Philadelphia clearly hasn't been able to figure out an effective way to use him - perhaps some other team could do better.
  3. 10 Nov '09 15:15
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    I don't blame Vick for being frustrated. I'm sure any other NFL QB in his position would feel the same way. As for his having a negative impact, someone at NBC stuck a microphone in his face and Vick actually gave an honest response. Big deal. I wish more players would give something besides giving the usual batch of cliches when interviewed.

    The big p ...[text shortened]... to figure out an effective way to use him - perhaps some other team could do better.
    100% agreed with respect to Vick's comments.
  4. 10 Nov '09 16:40
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Several months ago we discussed Vick, redemption, second chances, etc. I hate "I told you so" lines, but here it comes. Vick is whining about his role in Phille. They give him a chance and this is how he repays the Eagles! What an ingrate!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Michael-Vick-doesn-t-sound-so-thrilled-about-bei?urn=nfl,201166
    He actually said, ''It would be hard to come back to Philly as a 3rd string QB'' But the reporter left the last part out to make it more interesting. He really didn't say much during the interview, reporters manipulate quotes to create more interesting stories.
  5. 10 Nov '09 19:34 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by Maxime Ferlatte
    He actually said, ''It would be hard to come back to Philly as a 3rd string QB'' But the reporter left the last part out to make it more interesting. He really didn't say much during the interview, reporters manipulate quotes to create more interesting stories.
    yes -- that is a major problem. Very rarely does anyone tell the reader what question the athlete was responding to - or what the athlete's COMPLETE response was.

    If I was an athlete, I would agree to do interviews only on the condition that both of these conditions were met.

    The irony is that if the athletes knew they would be quoted fairly, you'd probably get a lot MORE interesting quotes. But athletes know the drill and almost always make sure to only give the most trite, cliched responses possible. I guess Vick had a momentary lapse and forget about this. No one wants to take a chance on having something be distorted or misconstrued.
  6. 11 Nov '09 03:00
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    yes -- that is a major problem. Very rarely does anyone tell the reader what question the athlete was responding to - or what the athlete's COMPLETE response was.

    If I was an athlete, I would agree to do interviews only on the condition that both of these conditions were met.

    The irony is that if the athletes knew they would be quoted fairly, you'd ...[text shortened]... et about this. No one wants to take a chance on having something be distorted or misconstrued.
    You give this treacherous, slithering snake rat bastard way too much credit in the IQ dept. Vick is an ingrate, sneaky, and should be made to bench warm until such time as his attitude improves. He is washed out and feels being a third stringer is bad? What a moron! Regrettably if he is cut some other stupid team will pick him up. ON the other hand it was good for my Cowboys for a goofy rival team to have wasted a roster spot, several plays and cap money. What if the Eagleas had a better sub for Assante Samuel on their roster instead of this space wasting, miserable human being, although with that statement we discredit humanity and insult animals, many of which ended up in a heap dead because this moro thaought it was cool to have dogs fight each other. Let's never forget that the same statements from any other player would be viewed much more kindly by me and other fans! If the player is too stupid to not respond in a manner that undermines his position with a team he should be muzzled like the dogs he killed. As for not knowing the question asked, does it really matter? If one can't glean the gist of the question then maybe brushing up on basic reading is in order(not you in particualr but all of us who might get stuck on this).
  7. 17 Nov '09 02:59
    It's not like Vick has not been put in the game - he just has not done anything with the ball. Percy Harvin has been put in the same position at times and he has produced. Stop "yelping" Vick!
  8. 17 Nov '09 04:24
    Originally posted by RedwoodPete
    It's not like Vick has not been put in the game - he just has not done anything with the ball. Percy Harvin has been put in the same position at times and he has produced. Stop "yelping" Vick!
    Indeed! How about the dude sunstituting for McKnabb, Kolb or something? He acquitted himself of the opportunity and never whined upon retun to the bench. I guess Vick thought he should sub despite being third string. Vick is a real lockerroom cancer! Come to think of it he never produced a whole lot in Atlanta. I am happy that a real good guy like Vince Young of the Titans is making a comeback after being shelved for over a year. I don't remember Young complaining!
  9. 17 Nov '09 10:18
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Indeed! How about the dude sunstituting for McKnabb, Kolb or something? He acquitted himself of the opportunity and never whined upon retun to the bench. I guess Vick thought he should sub despite being third string. Vick is a real lockerroom cancer! Come to think of it he never produced a whole lot in Atlanta. I am happy that a real good guy like Vince ...[text shortened]... s is making a comeback after being shelved for over a year. I don't remember Young complaining!
    very unfair- Vick was playing with a very avg. Falcons squad
  10. 17 Nov '09 12:51
    Originally posted by spurs73
    very unfair- Vick was playing with a very avg. Falcons squad
    If he's so great how come come he didn't elevate the team around him the way Vince Young has elevated a 0-7 team? Explain how using his paltry stats against Vick is unfair? Vick is a windbag undeserving of the second chance he got. He is not worthy to kiss the ground McKnabb gets sacked upon. I knew Vick would whine for he sees himself as above it all.
  11. 17 Nov '09 19:22
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    If he's so great how come come he didn't elevate the team around him the way Vince Young has elevated a 0-7 team? Explain how using his paltry stats against Vick is unfair? Vick is a windbag undeserving of the second chance he got. He is not worthy to kiss the ground McKnabb gets sacked upon. I knew Vick would whine for he sees himself as above it all.
    Vick got the highest punishment known to mankind for dog fighting. Vicks biggest mistake is a killed animals in an inhumane way. If he killed animals in a humane way, he'd merely be a farmer and he'd get governmental aide for his killings. If instead he killed people in an inhumane way no one seems to be bothered either. Ray Lewis who succesfully claimed self defense; or Rae Caruth (who killed his pregant girl friend) or Dante Stallworth or Leonard Little (who both drank and killed people with an automobile) get very little press for a far more heinous act.
    Vick came back and has been a good teammate and a good citizen. He said that next year he'd rather play somewhere else than be a third string quaterback. That's not complaining; instead it is a guy saying he'd prefer a promotion to a demotion. Who wouldn't?
  12. 18 Nov '09 01:01
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Vick got the highest punishment known to mankind for dog fighting. Vicks biggest mistake is a killed animals in an inhumane way. If he killed animals in a humane way, he'd merely be a farmer and he'd get governmental aide for his killings. If instead he killed people in an inhumane way no one seems to be bothered either. Ray Lewis who succesfully claim ...[text shortened]... laining; instead it is a guy saying he'd prefer a promotion to a demotion. Who wouldn't?
    One small flaw in the argument. Those who kill cattle humanely do it for the greater good in order to feed humanity. Surely you don't believe there is equivalence between killing dogs for wanton cruelty's sake in a gambling operation and feeding others? One is a service for the greater good. Vick's was a criminal operation, repugnant on many levels and was punished somwhat lightly.

    Don't get me started on the others. Not a one of them deserves being in the NFL. However, because the league seems to have a misbehavior scale in which what you say or think is held in a different light from what you do we end up with the Jimmy the Greek punsihed in severest form whereas the DWIers, wife beaters, murderers and so on are allowed to play. Just don't go around saying McNabb is overrated becasue then you are spoken about on the floor of congress!
  13. 18 Nov '09 13:51
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    One small flaw in the argument. Those who kill cattle humanely do it for the greater good in order to feed humanity. Surely you don't believe there is equivalence between killing dogs for wanton cruelty's sake in a gambling operation and feeding others? One is a service for the greater good. Vick's was a criminal operation, repugnant on many levels and ...[text shortened]... ound saying McNabb is overrated becasue then you are spoken about on the floor of congress!
    I agree that Jimmy the Greek (who was just an uneducated repeating a non-progressive theory on why african americans have such great physical abilities) and Rush (who was hired to be a controversal conservative and then fired when he filled his role) were given disproportionate punishments. I think Vick is in their category. I find it unbelieve that Jimmy the Greek, Rush and Vick are smashed to pieces and Little, Stallworth and Ray Lewis are given a pass.
  14. 21 Nov '09 02:02
    Originally posted by quackquack
    I agree that Jimmy the Greek (who was just an uneducated repeating a non-progressive theory on why african americans have such great physical abilities) and Rush (who was hired to be a controversal conservative and then fired when he filled his role) were given disproportionate punishments. I think Vick is in their category. I find it unbelieve that Jimm ...[text shortened]... reek, Rush and Vick are smashed to pieces and Little, Stallworth and Ray Lewis are given a pass.
    Who said life was fair? Yet we only hear Vick whining! Jimmy the Greek never got another chance. John Rocker never got a second chance. As always, some more equal than others.
  15. 23 Nov '09 02:08
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Who said life was fair? Yet we only hear Vick whining! Jimmy the Greek never got another chance. John Rocker never got a second chance. As always, some more equal than others.
    If I understand you correctly you are glad that many people who do relatively nothing get no second chance but people who literally kill others are forgiven. I would suggest that you have warped view of things