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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 08:33
    Nice change I say!

    40 millions Eur, less 4 for Torres and like 12 of Cisse. Atletico de
    Madrid will get rid of Torres, Benitez will get rid of Cisse, and all happy.

    Nice deal, I say.

    Any thoughts?
  2. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    25 Jun '07 08:40
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Nice change I say!

    40 millions Eur, less 4 for Torres and like 12 of Cisse. Atletico de
    Madrid will get rid of Torres, Benitez will get rid of Cisse, and all happy.

    Nice deal, I say.

    Any thoughts?
    Haven't heard about it yet.

    Who pays what exactly?
  3. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 08:47
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Haven't heard about it yet.

    Who pays what exactly?
    Well, according to Diario As and Diario Marca in Spain, the operation
    to be proposed by Benitez will be:

    36 million Eur (plus 4 to Torres), however, to those 36 the price of
    Cisse would be deducted.

    I think both win. What do you think?
  4. 25 Jun '07 08:56
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Well, according to Diario As and Diario Marca in Spain, the operation
    to be proposed by Benitez will be:

    36 million Eur (plus 4 to Torres), however, to those 36 the price of
    Cisse would be deducted.

    I think both win. What do you think?
    What is your opinion of Torres? I haven't heard the same rave reviews I used to hear?

    Liverpool need a cutting edge who can operate in crowded defences. Is Torres the man?
  5. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    25 Jun '07 09:01
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Well, according to Diario As and Diario Marca in Spain, the operation
    to be proposed by Benitez will be:

    36 million Eur (plus 4 to Torres), however, to those 36 the price of
    Cisse would be deducted.

    I think both win. What do you think?
    It's hard to say. I think it's a pretty risky deal for both teams.

    Cisse had the potential to be one of the best strikers in the world, but his injuries have made him a very risky buy and a potential liability. Torres was bound to leave Atletico sooner or later, so Atletico got a good price tag on him.

    On the other hand, Liverpool sell Cisse for a good price considering the risk I've mentioned (12m) but pay large for Torres (36+4m). I think Torres is a great player, but 40m sounds like a lot.

    If I was an Atletico fan, I'd be waiting to find out who they'll buy with the remaining transfer fee to be happy about the deal.
  6. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 09:03
    Originally posted by petrosianpupil
    What is your opinion of Torres? I haven't heard the same rave reviews I used to hear?

    Liverpool need a cutting edge who can operate in crowded defences. Is Torres the man?
    Well, he's been amongst the top LOCAL scorers (take out the foreign
    attackers) for the last 4 years, pushing to the net between 14 and 17
    goals per season.

    In my opinion, he is NOT a monster nor a player that will pass to
    history at all, just a guarantee of 15 goals per season.

    To be really sincere? You can see him either both ways:

    (a) A star because he is in a team that has won nothing for the last 10 years.
    (b) A young player that cannot show ALL he has because he is surrounded by quite mediocre players.

    My worry is the crowded defence part. Torres is quite clumsy in close
    spaces, and I think that is clear from the fact that he does awesomely
    in open spaces where he can exploit his strong, fast pace and kill in
    the last 10 meters.

    Maybe Benitez is thinking Torres can be a good substitute for counterattack play?
  7. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 09:05
    Originally posted by Palynka
    It's hard to say. I think it's a pretty risky deal for both teams.

    Cisse had the potential to be one of the best strikers in the world, but his injuries have made him a very risky buy and a potential liability. Torres was bound to leave Atletico sooner or later, so Atletico got a good price tag on him.

    On the other hand, Liverpool sell Cisse for a good ...[text shortened]... ing to find out who they'll buy with the remaining transfer fee to be happy about the deal.
    Well, the idea still is to get Quaresma, although I see it pretty difficult.

    I am a Real Madrid fan, but part of my heart is with Atletico because of the coach, hehe

    I thought the same about Cisse's injuries, but this morning I read a
    very good point: His 2 injuries were really drastic, violent plays, that
    would have injuried any player. So Cisse is not prone to injuries and,
    instead, he recovers amazingly.

    Plus, the Spanish league is not as hard played as the Premier, so he
    can be more easy on that part.
  8. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 09:10
    Enjoy these goals, gentlemen!

    http://www.as.com/videos/?xref=20070621dasdasftb_2.Ves&pagina=1
  9. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    25 Jun '07 09:22
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Well, the idea still is to get Quaresma, although I see it pretty difficult.

    I am a Real Madrid fan, but part of my heart is with Atletico because of the coach, hehe

    I thought the same about Cisse's injuries, but this morning I read a
    very good point: His 2 injuries were really drastic, violent plays, that
    would have injuried any player. So Cisse is ...[text shortened]... the Spanish league is not as hard played as the Premier, so he
    can be more easy on that part.
    His injuries weren't that drastic, violent plays. Both times he got his injured when falling after relatively standard tackles, if I remember them well...
  10. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 09:46
    Originally posted by Palynka
    His injuries weren't that drastic, violent plays. Both times he got his injured when falling after relatively standard tackles, if I remember them well...
    I don't.

    Cisse being a piece of glass would be something to be worried about, though.
  11. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    25 Jun '07 10:16
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Nice change I say!

    40 millions Eur, less 4 for Torres and like 12 of Cisse. Atletico de
    Madrid will get rid of Torres, Benitez will get rid of Cisse, and all happy.

    Nice deal, I say.

    Any thoughts?
    Cisse isn't worth €12m. The figures being bandied about over here are aroun £6m.

    D
  12. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 10:22
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    Cisse isn't worth €12m. The figures being bandied about over here are aroun £6m.

    D
    Thanks for the info.

    I'm just quoting the aproximates that the Spanish analysts mention.
  13. 25 Jun '07 12:51
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Well, he's been amongst the top LOCAL scorers (take out the foreign
    attackers) for the last 4 years, pushing to the net between 14 and 17
    goals per season.

    In my opinion, he is NOT a monster nor a player that will pass to
    history at all, just a guarantee of 15 goals per season.

    To be really sincere? You can see him either both ways:

    (a) A star ...[text shortened]... 10 meters.

    Maybe Benitez is thinking Torres can be a good substitute for counterattack play?
    Thanks, that is worrying.

    i really want liverpool to challenge next year and I think that Benitez is a counter puncher by nature.

    Liverpool played well against the big clubs this year but struggled against defence minded teams. Only Crouch seems to be able to have the close control and he lacks the killer 5 yd acceleration. They need Van Nistelroy or Drogba.
  14. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    25 Jun '07 13:01
    Originally posted by petrosianpupil
    Thanks, that is worrying.

    i really want liverpool to challenge next year and I think that Benitez is a counter puncher by nature.

    Liverpool played well against the big clubs this year but struggled against defence minded teams. Only Crouch seems to be able to have the close control and he lacks the killer 5 yd acceleration. They need Van Nistelroy or Drogba.
    I would be worried, then, because Torres is not that agile in close spaces.

    By the way, tell me your insight about Jose Antonio Reyes' time in Arsenal. Did he work out well? Why was he released?
  15. 25 Jun '07 13:59
    Originally posted by Seitse
    I would be worried, then, because Torres is not that agile in close spaces.

    By the way, tell me your insight about Jose Antonio Reyes' time in Arsenal. Did he work out well? Why was he released?
    Reyes is good but he had a number of problems especially when compared to Pires.

    Pires always had the attitude to win the physical battle first and then show your skills. Reyes was the opposite. He became a target as he was often put off by fouls, I think it was more that he reacted and became angry than he was a coward.

    Too often against tough opposition he went missing.

    Although his ability to cross is good and his passing excellent he often did not look for the early long ball. For strikers it is very hard to time your runs off him. Pires was much better and got far more assists.

    For most teams he would be a star, but for Real I would say you can find better. For me the top job for a winger is his crossing, so for me Beckham is far better than Reyes