Over-rated Footballers...

Originally posted by Angry Boy
Souness was at his peak between 81 & 84, and yes he was surrounded by talent. However (even as a Liverpool fan I can say) Lee, Whelan and Johnston were probably not as good individually as Beckham, Scholes and Giggs, so you could say Keane was surrounded by even greater quality. They were both leaders, enforcers and the driving force of their teams, but personally, I think Souness had more to his game going forward.

You may be right, Keane probably had more quality around him, Beckham, Scholes and Giggs gave Keane width to play the balls into.

The thing that impressed me the most about Keane though was he knew what he was going to do with the ball before he recieved it.
He played the simple pass to perfection to open up the play.
Something which is a lost art these days for most players.

Souness, yes from what I can remember was a more positive player, so there is little point trying to say one player is better than the other.

Imagine today though a midfield of Keane and Souness at their peak, they would dominate any combination of Zidane, Davids, Essien etc....

Just goes to show you how strong the English league has been over the years.

1.
Jerzy Dudek Rafael Benitez - Manager
2.
Alvaro Arbeloa Pako Ayestaran - Assistant Manager
3.
Steve Finnan Alex Miller - First Team Coach
4.
Sami Hyypia Gary Ablett - Reserve Team Manager
5.
Daniel Agger Hughie McAuley - Reserve Team Coach
6.
John Arne Riise Jose Ochotorena - Goalkeeping Coach
7.
Harry Kewell Frank McParland - Joint Chief Scout
8.
Steven Gerrard MBE Eduardo Macia - Joint Chief Scout
9.
Robbie Fowler Mark Waller - Club Doctor
10.
Luis Garcia Rob Price - Senior Physiotherapist
11.
Mark Gonzalez Louise Fawcett - Physiotherapist
12.
Fabio Aurelio Chris Morgan - Physiotherapist
14.
Xabi Alonso Victor Salinas - Physiotherapist
15.
Peter Crouch Antonio Gomez - Fitness Coach
16.
Jermaine Pennant Paul Small - Masseur
17.
Craig Bellamy Graham Carter - Kit Manager
18.
Dirk Kuyt John Wright - Kit Man
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Javier Mascherano Dave McDonough - Technical Analyst
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Momo Sissoko
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Jamie Carragher
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Pepe Reina
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Paul Anderson
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Gabriel Paletta
30.
Daniele Padelli
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Boudewijn Zenden
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Miki Roque
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Danny Guthrie
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Lee Peltier
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Craig Lindfield
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Stephen Darby
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David Martin
42.
Nabil El Zhar
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Jack Hobbs
48.
Emiliano Insua
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Florent Sinama Pongolle
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Jordy Brouwer
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Francisco Manuel Duran
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Ronald Huth
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Ryan Flynn
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David Roberts
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Robbie Threlfall
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Danny O'Donnell
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Scott Carson
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Besian Idrizaj
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Anthony Le Tallec
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James Smith
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Adam Hammill
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Djibril Cisse
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Godwin Antwi

smartrrrs are you always this stupid or are you just making a special effort today?

WBA!!!!

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Originally posted by Angry Boy
smartrrrs are you always this stupid or are you just making a special effort today?

sorry mr angry boy ,that was quite unfair of me,who knows that James Smith might turn out to be half decent one day

Originally posted by smartrrrrs
1.
Jerzy Dudek Rafael Benitez - Manager
2.
Alvaro Arbeloa Pako Ayestaran - Assistant Manager
3.
Steve Finnan Alex Miller - First Team Coach
4.
Sami Hyypia Gary Ablett - Reserve Team Manager
5.
Daniel Agger Hughie McAuley - Reserve Team Coach
6.
John Arne Riise Jose Ochotorena - Goalkeeping Coach
7.
Harry Kewell Frank McParland - ...[text shortened]...
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Anthony Le Tallec
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James Smith
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Adam Hammill
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Djibril Cisse
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Godwin Antwi

I can see your thinking behind just about every player you mention, except the No 1.

Everyone knows Dudek was rubbish (I mean Forlan put 2 past him), I personally would change 1. Jerzy Dudek for 1. David James, there are even people talking about bringing him back into the England side.

Originally posted by Rooney Once a Blue
I can see your thinking behind just about every player you mention, except the No 1.

Everyone knows Dudek was rubbish (I mean Forlan put 2 past him), I personally would change 1. Jerzy Dudek for 1. David James, there are even people talking about bringing him back into the England side.

David James is rubbish, but sadly when you are looking at alternative England goalies, he is as good/bad as the rest.

Originally posted by petrosianpupil
David James is rubbish, but sadly when you are looking at alternative England goalies, he is as good/bad as the rest.

David James isn't rubbish, he's just prone to the very odd total calamity which clouds people's judgements.

For a keeper to break the record for the number of clean sheets with teams like Portsmouth, West Ham, Man City, Aston Villa and Liverpool says a lot about his ability.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
David James isn't rubbish, he's just prone to the very odd total calamity which clouds people's judgements.

For a keeper to break the record for the number of clean sheets with teams like Portsmouth, West Ham, Man City, Aston Villa and Liverpool says a lot about his ability.

D

It also says alot about why he is a candidate for the most overrated player in recent years.

The guy is a calamity.

Originally posted by Rooney Once a Blue
It also says alot about why he is a candidate for the most overrated player in recent years.

The guy is a calamity.

He is another Dracula,

Scared of crosses.

Good shot stopper, but needs very good defenders.

Compare him to Given, Czech, Van der saar and dozen Spainish Brazilian and Italian Goalkeepers and he is second best. Thats why he is playing for Portsmouth.

Originally posted by Ian68
David Beckham - A one trick pony, like a spare part for 70+ minutes of most games.

I wholeheartedly agree. DB is not as great. He has moments, but then he has a lot of negative failed moments too.

Originally posted by Reaper
I wholeheartedly agree. DB is not as great. He has moments, but then he has a lot of negative failed moments too.

I used to run a fantasy football league.

Year after year Beckham would top the points score for midfielders. Nobody came close in terms of assists and goals. Added to that the player was in Fergies own words, the fittest player to wear a Man Utd shirt. He covers a prodigious amount of ground and tracks back all the time.

Their was a reason so many Real Madrid players petitioned Capello for his return.

Beckham has more than one trick. Wenger says the best two passers in the world were Zidane and Beckham. He is one of the best set piece takers in the world, when nearly 50% of goals at the highest level are set pieces, thats a pretty useful trick.

Originally posted by Ragnorak
David James isn't rubbish, he's just prone to the very odd total calamity which clouds people's judgements.

That's why he'll be always a great keeper for a small team and a woeful keeper for a team fighting for the title. To win a title, regularity is key. Two calamities and he can easily throw away 6 points against smaller teams. That can be determinant at the end of the season, especially nowadays were the margin of error is getting smaller and smaller.

Originally posted by Reaper
I wholeheartedly agree. DB is not as great. He has moments, but then he has a lot of negative failed moments too.

Doesn't this aply to every player? Good and bad alike?