Pete Rose: Helped or Hurt by Mitchell report?

So, Pete was on dennis Miller's sport's show last night and Miller believes the steroid scandal will help his chances of getting into the Hall of Fame. Even if I did think Pete should be forever banned, I'd have to agree that this mess kinda puts it in perpective, and I'd have to reconsider lettin' Charlie Hustle in. What dy'all think?

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
So, Pete was on dennis Miller's sport's show last night and Miller believes the steroid scandal will help his chances of getting into the Hall of Fame. Even if I did think Pete should be forever banned, I'd have to agree that this mess kinda puts it in perpective, and I'd have to reconsider lettin' Charlie Hustle in. What dy'all think?

I think Pete Rose used steroids.

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
So, Pete was on dennis Miller's sport's show last night and Miller believes the steroid scandal will help his chances of getting into the Hall of Fame. Even if I did think Pete should be forever banned, I'd have to agree that this mess kinda puts it in perpective, and I'd have to reconsider lettin' Charlie Hustle in. What dy'all think?

Charlie should have never been disallowed in the first place!

I think the MLB rule POSTED CLEARLY IN EVERY CLUB HOUSE says "Don't gamble, or you will be REMOVED from baseball."

Nothing has changed... that's like some guy in jail for domestic disturbance thinking he'll get out early because they caught a killer.

It doesn't make a difference.

P-

Originally posted by darvlay
Charlie should have never been disallowed in the first place!

Agree whole heartedly. The guy played his guts out and played very well a very long time. And, he is the ONLY player to have started at 4 different positions in an All Star game.

Originally posted by Phlabibit
I think the MLB rule POSTED CLEARLY IN EVERY CLUB HOUSE says "Don't gamble, or you will be REMOVED from baseball."

Nothing has changed... that's like some guy in jail for domestic disturbance thinking he'll get out early because they caught a killer.

It doesn't make a difference.

P-

BS...Mickey Mantle AND Willie Mays were both employed by Bally's casinos and they are in the HOF.

EDIT- The rule is you can't gamble on baseball at all, but moderate gambling on other sports is tolerated but watched closely. There are many who play the horses and bet football and basketball. The rub occurs if they pull an Art Schlister (sp?) and run up more debt than you can pay, and you would be in position to compromise your own sport as a forgiveness of debt.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
BS...Mickey Mantle AND Willie Mays were both employed by Bally's casinos and they are in the HOF.

EDIT- The rule is you can't gamble on baseball at all, but moderate gambling on other sports is tolerated but watched closely. There are many who play the horses and bet football and basketball. The rub occurs if they pull an Art Schlister (sp?) and run ...[text shortened]... u can pay, and you would be in position to compromise your own sport as a forgiveness of debt.

Right, you can't gamble on baseball at all...

...which Pete Rose denied doing

...until he admitted that he gambled on baseball, but did not place bets on his team

...until he admitted that he placed bets on his team, but always for them to win (on ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick show).

Originally posted by Doctor Rat
Right, you can't gamble on baseball at all...

...which Pete Rose denied doing

...until he admitted that he gambled on baseball, but did not place bets on his team

...until he admitted that he placed bets on his team, but always for them to win (on ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick show).

That is true, but he gambled when he was managing, not when he was playing. They can put him in a player, but not as a manager if that helps their conscience.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
That is true, but he gambled when he was managing, not when he was playing. They can put him in a player, but not as a manager if that helps their conscience.

A manager can still deliberately lose a game.

I don't think Pete Rose ever did it. But then again, I have not watched all, or even most, of the games he managed and played. The problem with crossing that ethical line is that it looks so suspicious. He may know that he did not throw any games, but the rest of us can only wonder.

Should it keep him out of the HOF? Tough question. I used to think so. Now, I am more inclined to think that keeping the all-time hit leader out makes the HOF a joke, particularly when some of the 'roiders will no doubt get in [if they haven't already].

However, the HOF elections are political, and I will not be surprised if he never gets in.

Cheating ruins the game for everyone. Don't let Rose in the Hall of fame, and if any of the 'roid users are found guilty, don't let them either.

If Pete gets in at all it will be when he is very old or dead.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
A manager can still deliberately lose a game.

I don't think Pete Rose ever did it. But then again, I have not watched all, or even most, of the games he managed and played. The problem with crossing that ethical line is that it looks so suspicious. He may know that he did not throw any games, but the rest of us can only wonder.

Should it kee ...[text shortened]...

However, the HOF elections are political, and I will not be surprised if he never gets in.

Pete Rose would get in the HOF IF an election was allowed; however, AFTER he was banned from baseball but before he became eligible for the HOF the rules were changed so that banned players were not allowed on the HOF ballot. Changing the rules after the fact is as unjust as you can get.

Originally posted by Phlabibit
I think the MLB rule POSTED CLEARLY IN EVERY CLUB HOUSE says "Don't gamble, or you will be REMOVED from baseball."

Nothing has changed... that's like some guy in jail for domestic disturbance thinking he'll get out early because they caught a killer.

It doesn't make a difference.

P-

Are you joking or is there really a statement like that?

I would think that the report does not help or hurt Pete Rose.

Baseball players need to be accountable for their actions. I am tired of hearing that clubs profited or were wilfully ignorant. Clemens and Bonds cheated and their numbers need to be stricken. Their MVPs and Cy Youngs need to be taken away. No Hall of Fame, no retired numbers. No days honoring their tainted achievements
In other sports that is the way. No one says Canada tried to profit from Ben Johnson or the US postal team tried to profit from its cheating cyclists or the US track team tried to profit from cheating. If you are caught cheating they strip you of your achievements and ban you from future play If Marion Jones being stripped of 5 olympic metals and banned from the next olympics for her Balco involvement, why not the same for Barry Bonds. In college football no one says Florida State is responsible for the tutor giving people answers on tests (although clearly the University hires the tutor and therefore there is a much stronger case that they are responsible). It is the players who have free will and are suspended. No one blames Arthur Blank and the Falcons for being wilfully ignorant of Michael Vick's hobbies (or the teams that hire Pacman Jones or Tank Johnson or the endless list of complete degnerates that play in the NFL). The players are punished when they do idiotic things. And in football it has gone on forever, Bill Parcells did not give a damn that Lawrence Taylor was a coke addict. No one talks about the Giants or the NFLs repsonsibility. I think we should stop talking about recovering from the 1994 strike or when what policy was implemented and just punish players who violate rules.