06 Dec 13
Originally posted by MISTER CHESSWTH, Keenum is and will be another in the long line of heralded UH QB's who fall on their ass in the NFL.
Who didn't see that coming after Kubiak destroyed keenum's confidence. Shaub wasn't the answer and winning wasn't going to save your job, selling the future was the only option.
Started with Andre Ware to David Klingler, Chuck Clements, Kevin Kolb.
He was so highly thought of by NFL scouts that he was undrafted and stayed on the Texans practice squad an entire year with no one making a
claim on him. He is a good kid, but the NFL isn't college. The reads are
much tougher and the seat of the pants playmaking won't keep you in many
ballgames.
06 Dec 13
Originally posted by shortcircuitThat's not the point, the point is that Shaub is clearly not the answer and selling Keenum and the future was the only viable option for Kubiak to keep his job.
WTH, Keenum is and will be another in the long line of heralded UH QB's who fall on their ass in the NFL.
Started with Andre Ware to David Klingler, Chuck Clements, Kevin Kolb.
He was so highly thought of by NFL scouts that he was undrafted and stayed on the Texans practice squad an entire year with no one making a
claim on him. He is a good kid, ...[text shortened]... reads are
much tougher and the seat of the pants playmaking won't keep you in many
ballgames.
06 Dec 13
Originally posted by MISTER CHESSI am absolutely in agreement that Schaub is not the answer.
That's not the point, the point is that Shaub is clearly not the answer and selling Keenum and the future was the only viable option for Kubiak to keep his job.
I have never been a huge fan of the prototypical plodder QB.
If he can't scramble, then he damn well better be able to get rid of the ball
quickly and accurately.
Early on with the Texans, he had success with that. Then teams figured
out that he was vertically challenged and tended to throw quick outs.
They started sitting on those patterns and poaching him.
This season he became a telegraph and then a doe in the headlights.
Now he is damaged goods. he was never the long term answer, but
Kubiak liked him and stuck by him.
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10 Dec 13
Originally posted by MISTER CHESSI think, since this team is not gong to the playoffs anyway, that its a little tacky to fire a coach with three games to go who had a stroke on the sidelines during one of the games. Would it have mattered if they waited until the end of the season?
Who didn't see that coming after Kubiak destroyed keenum's confidence. Shaub wasn't the answer and winning wasn't going to save your job, selling the future was the only option.
10 Dec 13
Originally posted by Bobla45Why pay a coach who can't get the job done with multiple pro bowlers on both sides of the ball? This is a team built for winning.
I think, since this team is not gong to the playoffs anyway, that its a little tacky to fire a coach with three games to go who had a stroke on the sidelines during one of the games. Would it have mattered if they waited until the end of the season?
10 Dec 13
Originally posted by MISTER CHESSTechnically, they are paying him for his entire contract whether he coaches or not,
Why pay a coach who can't get the job done with multiple pro bowlers on both sides of the ball? This is a team built for winning.
so your argument is not really valid.
The reason they fired him now was two-fold.
First , Bob McNair is especially fond of Kubiak, as are many of the players.
Once it became obvious that they were going to have to make changes to
soothe the fan base in Houston, rather than leave him dangling in the wind
for three more games, they cut him loose now. Gary Kubiak is a class
person, and I think it was hard for McNair to do because of that, but when
he did let him go, he did it with respect and class toward Gary.
The second reason they cut him now was so they could get a jump on the
process of finding Kubiak's replacement. It absolutely will not be Wade
Phillips, so there is no harm letting him run the show while they shop for the
new head coach, because they announced that Phillips is also a candidate.
Wade Phillips will more than likely be let go when the new coach comes in,
because typically coaches like to have their choices at coordinator positions.
The names for replacement are flying around here. Most are conjecture.
Lovie Smith will get a look and he is from Texas. Ken Whisenhut will also
get a look. Other names being tossed around are Jon Gruden (unlikely),
Jay Gruden (possibility), Mike Shanahan (no way), Bill Cowher (unlikely),
Kevin Sumlin (not a chance), Bill O'Brien (certainly hope not), David Shaw
(unlikely).
Mc Nair wants someone with head coaching experience as well as NFL experience
and has said as such. That is not to say, he won't change his mind, but
he does not want to tear this team apart and start again. And truthfully,
he shouldn't have to if he gets the right coach.
Personally, I would love to see Jon Gruden. The lure of the top pick in the
draft and a pretty solid team may be enough to get him out of the booth.
Not sure Gruden's ego and Mc Nair would get along though. Lovie Smith is
a possibility, but only if they can get a stud OC, because, as he showed in
Chicago, his offense sucked, but his defense was stout. Odd's are Ken
Whisenhut may be the guy, although he is not an automatic by any stretch
of the imagination. I guess we will see over the next few weeks. They are
auditioning Case Keenum the next 3 weeks. Unfortunately, he is not the
answer either. He may be a reasonable back up QB, but I do not see him as
a starting QB in the NFL.
11 Dec 13
Originally posted by shortcircuitYou will be lucky to get Ken whisenhunt if you can't get gruden. Arians is getting a lot of credit in Arizona for what Ken built there, The difference is a stable QB station.
Technically, they are paying him for his entire contract whether he coaches or not,
so your argument is not really valid.
The reason they fired him now was two-fold.
First , Bob McNair is especially fond of Kubiak, as are many of the players.
Once it became obvious that they were going to have to make changes to
soothe the fan base in Houston, ra ...[text shortened]... er either. He may be a reasonable back up QB, but I do not see him as
a starting QB in the NFL.