@Rajk999
"must be interpreted" you say? Just can't pass this one up.......

Who says you have the ability or permission to interpret the Bible? This is the problem you have my friend. No one can just sit at home and interpret anything from the bible on their own. Sorry you constantly miss that. If every human on the planet would do as you obviously do, nothing is accomplished and we all just end up with billions of interpretations.
The bible clearly says that this book, the bible is not open for "private interpretation" does it not?
It also says that his true followers would be in "full agreement" does it not? I would venture to say from all you've ever posted here, that maybe 3 would agree with you?

PS. I would quote those scriptures for you, but I really get tired of waisting my efforts as I know you know those scriptures, but you don't grasp their meanings. But there is still time left for Jehovah to help you if you really wanted it........

@Rajk999

I'm visiting with family and just looking to see what is going on. If one were to do a little more research, one could actually find info they could learn instead of assuming. Jesus commanded that we are not to kill any humans' right?.
So your assumption is wrong that just a little research could show you why Jesus said this:


"Although now extinct in Palestine, anciently lions were very plentiful there. They were found in the area of the Anti-Lebanon and Hermon ranges (Song of Sol. 4:8), the thickets along the Jordan (Jer. 49:19; 50:44; Zech. 11:3), and in “the land of distress and hard conditions,” that is, the wilderness to the S of Judah.—Isa. 30:6; compare Deuteronomy 8:15.

There ya go......

@medullah said
If that is the case (I haven't seen the books) he was clearly wrong.

The hallmark of the JWs is that if they realise that they have something wrong they correct, which is why they stopped wearing crosses, and the observance of festivals that although are in the "Christian Calendar" are clearly of pagan origins e.g. Christmas. 2 Cor 6:14

There you go, no need for a barge pole.

Good stuff. So I will be gone pretty much for about a week. My son is flying in today from Tucson and will be here throughout the solar eclipse and then some. He's going out with his sister and family to a State Park to camp for a few days to see the eclipse away from the big city. They are saying over half a million visitors from all over the world will be here in Texas along the eclipse path. So gonna get crazy...
By the way all of our best friends here will say "I'm distancing myself". Lol

@medullah said
A very reasonable observation. The belief held is that in 1914 Jesus cleared out the heavens

Rev 12: 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or S ...[text shortened]... ld astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

And of course in 1914 we had WW1.

Perfect post. So clear to those who understand.....

I know there are a few here that have no intention of learning anything about the process that was set in motion after 1914 by Jesus who after throwing satan out of heaven, started ruling over his followers here on earth. The light of understanding of what was starting here on earth with ones who were breaking away from the churches that were not teaching truths in their paganistic churches, were being feed spiritually by Jesus. But this was to be a slow process that according to the Bible would take time.
So yes there were truths that were not clear yet at that time and there were misunderstandings which the bible clearly said would happen.
So you all can continue with this misguided fascination you have with being stuck in this subject that happened a century ago.
A spiritually wise person should maybe look at the progress and constant forward steps that has been made since then and should see the JW's for who we are now and all the progress that has been made to separate ourselves from the false teachings that all the so called Christian religions STILL practice that are not approved of by Jehovah or Jesus.

Most here have no idea this happened in heaven right above your heads but after he threw Satan down to earth Jesus put in place a channel that he has used to help his followers to be spiritually clean. That channel is the faithful and discreet slave ,who are the early ones like Russel and others, which Christ appointed in 1919. (Matt. 24:45) By then, the Bible Students had already cleansed themselves of many false religious teachings like the trinity, but, like any students, they needed further teaching spiritually. Jesus has gradually made the light to his followers about many beliefs that they have to abandon. Proverbs 4:18 says:

18 But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light
That grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.

So I know many are stuck in our past back a century ago and think that our progressing in our understanding of what Jesus is teaching is a joke, perhaps one should look and learn at us today and grasp the amount of progress we've made and the willingness and effort we make to come to your doors to teach you what we have been taught. It seems that would be a great deal for you doubters to think about and that is for someone to come to your house at our expense, it cost you nothing, and maybe respect us for doing this in some countries that we are banned and could go to prison for.
And this is done for the love and concern that we have for you and your future........ but you are running out of time.

@Rajk999

Ho hummmmm. You are a broken record. I wonder how many more times in this century you are going to bring this up again, and again?
Have you ever thought of using all of this energy of speaking of things that happened, oh lets say a hundred years ago that has been discussed sooooooo many times and maybe do something good spiritually for someone, anyone??
Find a scripture or maybe two that would actually bring encouragement to at least ((((1)))) person to make their day better or maybe give them hope of a better life in the future that Jehovah promises mankind?
Do you ever at all use Jehovah's name with any kind of respect? Off hand I can think of one spirit creature that shudders when Jehovah's name is spoken....
Ya think? Is that just not possible with you?

So I see this subject is being discussed again which is fine as there are a couple new ones here.

" That question has to be considered when Bible translators handle the first verse of the Gospel of John. In the New World Translation, the verse is rendered: “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” (John 1:1) Some other translations render the last part of the verse to convey the thought that the Word was “divine,” or something similar. (A New Translation of the Bible, by James Moffatt; The New English Bible) Many translations, however, render the last part of John 1:1: “And the Word was God.”​—The Holy Bible—​New International Version; The Jerusalem Bible.

Greek grammar and the context strongly indicate that the New World Translation rendering is correct and that “the Word” should not be identified as the “God” referred to earlier in the verse. Nevertheless, the fact that the Greek language of the first century did not have an indefinite article “a” or “an leaves the matter open to question in some minds. It is for this reason that a Bible translation in a language that was spoken in the earliest centuries of our Common Era is very interesting.

The language is the Sahidic dialect of Coptic. The Coptic language was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus’ earthly ministry, and the Sahidic dialect was an early literary form of the language. Regarding the earliest Coptic translations of the Bible, The Anchor Bible Dictionary says: “Since the [Septuagint] and the [Christian Greek Scriptures] were being translated into Coptic during the 3d century C.E., the Coptic version is based on Greek manuscripts which are significantly older than the vast majority of extant witnesses.”

The Sahidic Coptic text is especially interesting for two reasons. First, as indicated above, it reflects an understanding of Scripture dating from before the fourth century, which was when the Trinity became official doctrine. Second, Coptic grammar is relatively close to English grammar in one important aspect. The earliest translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures were into Syriac, Latin, and Coptic. Syriac and Latin, like the Greek of those days, do not have an indefinite article. Coptic, however, does. Moreover, scholar Thomas O. Lambdin, in his work Introduction to Sahidic Coptic, says: “The use of the Coptic articles, both definite and indefinite, corresponds closely to the use of the articles in English.”

Hence, the Coptic translation supplies interesting evidence as to how John 1:1 would have been understood back then. What do we find? The Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. Thus, when rendered into modern English, the translation reads: “And the Word was a god.” Evidently, those ancient translators realized that John’s words recorded at John 1:1 did not mean that Jesus was to be identified as Almighty God. The Word was a god, not Almighty God."

@divegeester said
Galveston75?

Hey I do sleep at night you know..... Sorry I'm not awake 24/7 to be at your beckoning call.
Again we all discussed this already over and over a few years ago. I see no need in doing this again for about the 4000th time.
If it is important to you, go back and read it all again.