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  1. 20 Jul '08 21:35
    Greetings All,

    In the profile section there is a definition of the Tournament Entry Rating (current rating + highest rating / 2 but NEVER lower than 100 points below highest rating) ... we have a 1325 -1350 tournament with a 1600+ level player. Their rating was 1600 in Jan '08 but "timed out" there way to a 1200 rating in June when the tourney started. With a high rating >1600 just a few months earlier, how were they able to join a 1325-1350 level tourney ... given the aforementioned definition?

    Thanks. Not that it Really matters ... just curious.

    Take care,

    Jeff
  2. 20 Jul '08 23:02
    Originally posted by dermpa
    Greetings All,

    In the profile section there is a definition of the Tournament Entry Rating (current rating + highest rating / 2 but NEVER lower than 100 points below highest rating) ... we have a 1325 -1350 tournament with a 1600+ level player. Their rating was 1600 in Jan '08 but "timed out" there way to a 1200 rating in June when the tourney started. ...[text shortened]... ed definition?

    Thanks. Not that it Really matters ... just curious.

    Take care,

    Jeff
    I'm guessing sometime in January '08 his rating might've slipped just below 1600 on their way down to 1200 giving them a tourny entry rating of somewhere around 1325-1350

    i.e. 1600+1200=2800/2=1400 So If his rating was slightly below that at the end of january, he could've gotten his Tourny entry rating down a bit more.
  3. 21 Jul '08 01:18
    Thanks for the reply ... I agree with your math, however the second part of the definition is that the entry rating won't be lower than 100 points below his highest rating. Is there a time limit on when that high rating counts against a tournament rating? Sure seems like a common theme for players to time out a large number of games ... in that setting there should be a waiting period to re-establish a credible rating. But then again, this is just for fun ... just trying to make sense of the entry rating definition.

    Thanks again.

    Jeff
  4. 21 Jul '08 03:44
    Originally posted by dermpa
    Thanks for the reply ... I agree with your math, however the second part of the definition is that the entry rating won't be lower than 100 points below his highest rating. Is there a time limit on when that high rating counts against a tournament rating? Sure seems like a common theme for players to time out a large number of games ... in that setting ther ...[text shortened]... for fun ... just trying to make sense of the entry rating definition.

    Thanks again.

    Jeff
    Hmm...your right, I don't really know how he got such a low tourny rating, I guess you really can't do anything about it, usually the tourny entry rating isn't this difficult to decipher.
  5. 21 Jul '08 07:54
    Originally posted by Dance Master MC
    Hmm...your right, I don't really know how he got such a low tourny rating, I guess you really can't do anything about it, usually the tourny entry rating isn't this difficult to decipher.
    There has to be an answer ... I've asked RHP but have not heard anything back. I hope I advance in the tourney and draw him in the next round ... he probably knows. I don't mean any ill-will by it, just curious. So, it's on to pondering the next life changing dilemma. Take care.
  6. 21 Jul '08 08:04
    Originally posted by Dance Master MC
    I'm guessing sometime in January '08 his rating might've slipped just below 1600 on their way down to 1200 giving them a tourny entry rating of somewhere around 1325-1350

    i.e. 1600+1200=2800/2=1400 So If his rating was slightly below that at the end of january, he could've gotten his Tourny entry rating down a bit more.
    No, 1600+1200 is not 2800/2, is it?
    (1600+1200)/2 is 1400, right?
  7. Standard member John of Reading
    Scotch addict
    21 Jul '08 09:22
    Originally posted by dermpa
    Is there a time limit on when that high rating counts against a tournament rating?
    Yes, the figure fed into the tournament entry calculation is not the highest-ever rating, but only the highest rating in the last 100 days.
  8. 21 Jul '08 16:08
    Originally posted by John of Reading
    Yes, the figure fed into the tournament entry calculation is not the highest-ever rating, but only the highest rating in the last 100 days.
    Thanks all for your replies ... it hit me earlier today exactly what happened. The highest rating used is of the past 100 days as you mentioned ... so it really doesn't matter what his Jan rating rating was for a June tourney (that's outside 100 days) ... only what it was 100 days before the tournament start date. With the number of timed out matches it would've been significantly lower and when calculated would've put it in the tourney range. I got a reply from RHP ... although Russ didn't speak to this specific instance (he didn't need to since I understand it now) he simply said they are working on a way to deal with the "sand-bagging" such as this as it ruins tournaments for some players. For me, case closed and I feel a little foolish for not seeing it before now. (I've been thinking of it longer than you guys have).

    Take care,

    Jeff
  9. 21 Jul '08 19:44
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    No, 1600+1200 is not 2800/2, is it?
    (1600+1200)/2 is 1400, right?
    Yes, your right, I just wrote everything out so 1600+1200=2800 THEN 2800/2=1400
  10. Subscriber Mctaytoonline
    Highlander
    21 Jul '08 22:53
    The player you refer to is User 387705
    They went walkabout in Jan '08 in what appears to be mass resignation/timeouts
    He returned at the beginning of June with the rating to which he left with 1252
    As the 100 days is just over 3 months and he was gone for 6 months then his rating is for tournaments his highest rating over last 100 days 1252 plus current rating 1252 divided by 2 thus giving 1252. Over the next few days/weeks he won some games increasing this tournament entry level to allow qualification for the 1325 - 1350 tournament.
    It was therefore totally legitimate albeit morally questionable. Others that do this are referred to as sand baggers albeit in this case he appears to have left the site for 6 months unlike true sand baggers.
  11. 21 Jul '08 23:29
    Originally posted by Mctayto
    The player you refer to is User 387705
    They went walkabout in Jan '08 in what appears to be mass resignation/timeouts
    He returned at the beginning of June with the rating to which he left with 1252
    As the 100 days is just over 3 months and he was gone for 6 months then his rating is for tournaments his highest rating over last 100 days 1252 plus cur ...[text shortened]... ers albeit in this case he appears to have left the site for 6 months unlike true sand baggers.
    Correct on all counts ... I just want to be clear here I wasn't calling out a player nor referenced a name. I didn't even really care it happened other than to understand the system. I just thought I'd throw it out to more experienced RHP members and figured it was an easy solution ... and it was.