1. Subscribersonhouse
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-heat-160241642.html

    What kind of insanity is this?
    Banning heat protection for outside workers? Can you imagine what he would have done if he had been elected POTUS?
    No time off for heat prostration, no water, what the HELL is wrong with this dude?
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    @sonhouse said

    Banning heat protection for outside workers?
    you ijit, it's banning heat protection laws, not banning heat protection.

    Just another example of your over wrought rantings, not to be taken seriously about this, and so any legitimate thing you may say loses credibility.
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    The idea is that companies will govern themselves when it comes to heat protection for workers instead of a government body overseeing it and enforcing it.

    A lot of company owners are cheap and cut corners whenever they can. DeSantis did wrong with this one.

    Anything over 75° degrees and I feel like I am in an oven roasting.
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    @wajoma said
    you ijit, it's banning heat protection laws, not banning heat protection.

    Just another example of your over wrought rantings, not to be taken seriously about this, and so any legitimate thing you may say loses credibility.
    The health and safety regulations weren’t introduced because companies were doing such a great job of regulating themselves.
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    Yeah, like here in the US in century 19 and 18, children forced to work in mines, lots of dead children from that dark era. It just shows laws regulating these companies are justified.
    Like companies dumping toxic waste in our rivers and streams, Erin Brockovich movie showed that quite clearly, which was based on real cases.

    The ones fighting those regulations are on the payroll of big corps pure and simple.
    They would condone going back to coal when we have solar, wave, wind power which makes coal obsolete but the coal mining lobby wants to chuck all of that in their zeal to add more to the already fragile climate.
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    @sonhouse said
    @shavixmir
    Yeah, like here in the US in century 19 and 18, children forced to work in mines, lots of dead children from that dark era. It just shows laws regulating these companies are justified.
    Like companies dumping toxic waste in our rivers and streams, Erin Brockovich movie showed that quite clearly, which was based on real cases.

    The ones fighting those regulation ...[text shortened]... al mining lobby wants to chuck all of that in their zeal to add more to the already fragile climate.
    Lil sunstroker fella, it's prosperity that got children out of mines, not regulation.

    And of course none of your post has anything to do with De Santis NOT banning heat protection.
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    So much for 'local control'! 🙂
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    @wajoma said
    Lil sunstroker fella, it's prosperity that got children out of mines, not regulation.

    And of course none of your post has anything to do with De Santis NOT banning heat protection.
    No. It was largely due to regulation; forcing children to go to school.
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    @shavixmir said
    No. It was largely due to regulation; forcing children to go to school.
    No, because when there's no prosperity there are no schools, and then it's a choice between working in a mine or starving.

    Here's an experiment for you, child labor still exists today a great deal in Africa mining lithium for batteries in rich people cars, you go there and tell them it's against the regulations lol lol haha, wadda pseud boy doody for brains you are.

    The regulations come after the wealth has been produced, the regulators are parasites, it is the prosperity created by others that allows the parasites to parasite.
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    @sonhouse said
    @shavixmir
    Yeah, like here in the US in century 19 and 18, children forced to work in mines, lots of dead children from that dark era. It just shows laws regulating these companies are justified.
    Like companies dumping toxic waste in our rivers and streams, Erin Brockovich movie showed that quite clearly, which was based on real cases.

    The ones fighting those regulation ...[text shortened]... al mining lobby wants to chuck all of that in their zeal to add more to the already fragile climate.
    Sonhouse. 2 things.
    Don’t work there, get another job.
    Don’t buy their products.
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    @sonhouse said
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-heat-160241642.html

    What kind of insanity is this?
    Banning heat protection for outside workers? Can you imagine what he would have done if he had been elected POTUS?
    No time off for heat prostration, no water, what the HELL is wrong with this dude?
    But as bad as this seems, remember that you are a person who thinks conversely that the corporate owners should give over part of the company to these workers. Put them in the boardroom give them equal amounts of shares in the company. They would be cool big time! So many arguments, so little time.
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    When we lived in Jerusalem we vacationed in Egypt and saw children making rugs, their little fingers flew and nobody seemed to have a problem with that, at some point, 14 you maybe, their hands lost the speed of their earlier work so they became owners of a small business making rugs with his own bevy of kids.
    That kind of work is not dangerous like working in a coal mine where a lot of those children died from black lung.
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    @sonhouse said
    @Wajoma
    When we lived in Jerusalem we vacationed in Egypt and saw children making rugs, their little fingers flew and nobody seemed to have a problem with that, at some point, 14 you maybe, their hands lost the speed of their earlier work so they became owners of a small business making rugs with his own bevy of kids.
    That kind of work is not dangerous like working in a coal mine where a lot of those children died from black lung.
    Well said, and it is something that we could never come to grips with in this country. How about the ones in the N African mines. The oriental rug you walk on was probably certainly made by those nimble 8-yr old fingers. Life ain't fair. Certainly you do not compare this country to 2nd and 3rd world countries.?
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    @wajoma said
    No, because when there's no prosperity there are no schools, and then it's a choice between working in a mine or starving.

    Here's an experiment for you, child labor still exists today a great deal in Africa mining lithium for batteries in rich people cars, you go there and tell them it's against the regulations lol lol haha, wadda pseud boy doody for brains you are.

    Th ...[text shortened]... ulators are parasites, it is the prosperity created by others that allows the parasites to parasite.
    1. If you have regulations you need to enforce them.
    2. Not all these countries have proper regulations.

    Your quaint notion of markets managing workers’ and human rights is as absurd as Ayn Rand’s hypocrisy.

    Child labour in the West was not stopped by wealth, it was stopped through regulation, with the captains of industry opposing it each step of the way.

    Perhaps read some history, instead of spanking your monkey whilst shrugging the atlas.
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    @shavixmir said
    1. If you have regulations you need to enforce them.
    2. Not all these countries have proper regulations.

    Your quaint notion of markets managing workers’ and human rights is as absurd as Ayn Rand’s hypocrisy.

    Child labour in the West was not stopped by wealth, it was stopped through regulation, with the captains of industry opposing it each step of the way.

    Perhaps read some history, instead of spanking your monkey whilst shrugging the atlas.
    You've been challenged on Rands supposed hypocrisy before, and have been unable to explain yourself.

    And you've done nothing to refute the point that without wealth and prosperity regulation means nothing. It doesn't matter if it's proper regulation and it doesn't matter if it's enforced properly, when there's nothing to regulate the regulators starve too. This isn't a 'chicken or egg' conundrum, the regulators are parasites, they produce nothing and until something has been produced there's nothing to regulate.

    You should try to read some history, or better yet try some world experience travel that doesn't consist of tourist spots and cozy hotels. Take an example from lil sunstroker fella, he's been all over the world checking exit lights and 9 volt batteries.
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