The burkini

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The idea is not the the hijab is oppressive you dolt but that she is not free to sunbathe and swim in the sea without reproach. Sigh. . . . if only you were not such a self assuming, pompous ol windbag you might do better.

Originally posted by lemon lime
So what iyo may have changed between then and now that might account for such a draconian change in policy? Anything to come to mind, such as let's say, perhaps a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks? I know it's quite a stretch to connect these two totally unrelated things, i.e. policy changes in response to a rise in terrorism. But seeing as how you a ...[text shortened]... g jewelry stores wearing ski masks.
Oh my goodness gracious! Whatever is this world coming to?!

Are you truly relying on a comparison between someone wearing a ski mask entering a jewelry store and a woman wearing a burkini at a beach?

If so, the words you can't be serious are barely adequate.

If you are suggesting that Muslims be singled out for collective punishment because some members of the religion engaged in terrorist acts, then I strongly disagree that such a practice accords with the values of a free society.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Even if that idea is the oppression of women. What seems to me to be happening is that Muslims are expressing a religiosity in wearing this garb, a religiosity that is offensive because it means a women is not free to feel the warm sunshine and waves on her skin without fear of reproach. Even on a level of equality clearly there is a disparity for M ...[text shortened]... meone from wearing what they want is to miss the point, its not about clothes, its about values.

The idea that the State can enforce its idea of "values" on individuals doing no harm to anyone else is deeply offensive to the idea of freedom.

France routinely violates the rights of religious expression and should be condemned.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Are you truly relying on a comparison between someone wearing a ski mask entering a jewelry store and a woman wearing a burkini at a beach?

If so, the words you can't be serious are barely adequate.

If you are suggesting that Muslims be singled out for collective punishment because some members of the religion engaged in terrorist acts, then I strongly disagree that such a practice accords with the values of a free society.

Try evaluating this against the backdrop of reality:

If no one had ever robbed a jewelry store wearing a ski mask, then no one would be alarmed seeing a man entering a jewelry store wearing a ski mask.

And if no terrorist Muslim had ever detonated a suicide bomb in a public place, then no one would be alarmed to see a woman covered head to toe in Muslim garb on a public beach.

Imagine someone wearing a bomb strapped to their body and casually strolling along on a crowded beach wearing a swim suit. Do you think anyone seeing this would feel alarmed? Now imagine someone wearing a bomb strapped to their body underneath traditional Muslim garb casually strolling along on a crowded beach...

Is any of this sinking in? Can you now see how this has nothing to do with a woman's God given right to wear whatever she wants to wear? I suppose as a man you have the right to wear a ski mask when entering a jewelry store, but would you ever seriously consider doing this?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Try evaluating this against the backdrop of reality:

If no one had ever robbed a jewelry store wearing a ski mask, then no one would be alarmed seeing a man entering a jewelry store wearing a ski mask.

And if no terrorist Muslim had ever detonated a suicide bomb in a public place, then no one would be alarmed to see a woman covered head to toe in Mu ...[text shortened]... wear a ski mask when entering a jewelry store, but would you ever seriously consider doing this?

At some point paranoid craziness really should give way to common sense.

Why not require everybody to walk around naked so we can make sure they don't have bombs strapped on them?

Originally posted by no1marauder
At some point paranoid craziness really should give way to common sense.

Why not require everybody to walk around naked so we can make sure they don't have bombs strapped on them?

Oh good grief, common sense would be the ability to discern the difference between reasonable caution and unwarranted concern. Do you really think the French are over reacting, or do a lot more people need to be killed for you to understand what they are up against over there?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Oh good grief, common sense would be the ability to discern the difference between reasonable caution and unwarranted concern. Do you really think the French are over reacting, or do a lot more people need to be killed for you to understand what they are up against over there?

Ridiculous discrimination against their Muslim population is more likely to exacerbate the problem then end it.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Ridiculous discrimination against their Muslim population is more likely to exacerbate the problem then end it.

Really? So efforts to keep everyone safe (this includes the local Muslim popuation) is discrimination? Your sense of compassion is heart warming.

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Do the words "backdrop of reality" mean anything to you, or is your sense of compassion strictly academic?

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So I take it you're okay with how women (and gays) are treated in Islamic countries. As a feminist and human rights champion Hillary is also okay with that.

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In the USA, a person has a much higher statistical risk of being killed by a white man...

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