27 Feb '12 23:59Originally posted by tomtom232Good points. I definitely thougth about 17.Rd1 and following with the awesome rook lift. Plus, 17.Rd1 prevents his BxP which he did. But like I indicated in the notes I thought a long time on my move 17, and just decided to be more conservative with developing the N and connecting the rooks. I did see after a rook lift, my N and other rook being undeveloped, and also somewhat suceptible to a back row mate. I also saw him possibly going Qd5 before the rook lift.
17.Rd1 dxe5 {? probably not best but maybe black will play this} 18.exd5
And with the d file In whites grasp I don't see how black copes with the threat of a rook lift by white as running his king to f8 gets mated by Qxh7-h8/g8
28 Feb '12 00:05Originally posted by moon1969...Qd5 I think allows Qg4+ and Nc3 with a nice position. You probably saw all of this though and with the difference in our ratings I'm probably missing something.
Good points. I definitely thougth about 17.Rd1 and following with the awesome rook lift. Plus, 17.Rd1 prevents his BxP which he did. But like I indicated in the notes I thought a long time on my move 17, and just decided to be more conservative with developing the N and connecting the rooks. I did see after a rook lift, my N and other rook being undevel ...[text shortened]... somewhat suceptible to a back row mate. I also saw him possibly going Qd5 before the rook lift.
28 Feb '12 00:07Originally posted by tomtom232That does look awesome for white. And 17.Rd1 was my second choice, and I kept looking at the rook lift wanting to get the mate immediately. Yet, I remember thinking he would leave the center pawn alone and instead relocate his K. And though I could grab his h-pawn with my Q, I was more distracted by setting up a pin along the e-file (which involved connecting rooks and getting my N into defensive play). Though, good points you make and I was thinking such during the game. I likely also missed other opportunities. I do tend to be conservative and go for a small material advantage and then diffuse, leaving a possible mate on the table.
[pgn][FEN "r1r3k1/1bp2p1p/pb1pqB2/1p2P2Q/3P4/1P6/1PP2PPP/RN3RK1 w - - 0 1"]1.Rd1 {a wee trap with a threat. 2.d5 Bxd5 3.Rxd5 Qxd5? 4.Nc3 Qe6 5.Nd5... might not be sound and CC worthy but I would go in for this OTB} dxe5 {?} 2.dxe5 {I don't see any defense against the threats 3.Rd3 and 3.Qg5+ this resource might cause black to play 1...d5 instead which gets rid of his counterplay along the a8-h1 diagonal}[/pgn]
28 Feb '12 00:177 editsOriginally posted by moon1969Yeah, I'm quite the opposite. I'll sac sac.... sac and then either me or my opponent gets mated.
That does look awesome for white. And 17.Rd1 was my second choice, and I kept looking at the rook lift wanting to get the mate immediately. Yet, I remember thinking he would leave the center pawn alone and instead relocate his K. And though I could grab his h-pawn with my Q, I was more distracted by setting up a pin along the e-file (which involved conne ...[text shortened]... ve and go for a small material advantage and then diffuse, leaving a possible mate on the table.
28 Feb '12 00:182 editsOriginally posted by tomtom232No you make good observations, and my RHP rating is actually little inflated by spending so much time on moves and hardcore use of a games database, and also opponents seem so willing to agree to a draw after I got to 2000+. And further just got a couple of wins against a 1980 guy in and out of the hospital (which I didn't know until afterward when I questioned him about his inconsistent play).
...Qd5 I think allows Qg4+ and Nc3 with a nice position. You probably saw all of this though and with the difference in our ratings I'm probably missing something.
28 Feb '12 00:28Originally posted by tomtom232Yummy, that does look good in the sense of owning the d5 square and keeping the intitiative going, and blocking that annoying bishop of his bearing down on g2. I think 17.Rd1 and the scenarios you present were definitely viable for me. Fortunately, I think the game was won for me generally with some risk. The 17.Nd2 move I did make kind of punted the initiative, but I was just timing to move his K to e8 at the right moment and get a pin for material. In general, I was concerned what to do about him getting his rooks over to the g-file, and even maybe to the h-file if I did Qxh7. Thanks for the comments.
Yeah, I'm quite the opposite. I'll sac sac.... sac and then either me or my opponent gets mated.
Hmm that is interesting (the immediate king relocation)
maybe
[pgn][FEN "r1r3k1/1bp2p1p/pb1pqB2/1p2P2Q/3P4/1P6/1PP2PPP/RN3RK1 w - - 0 1"]1.Rd1 Kf8 2.Nc3 {now you're on d5. My intentions with the square d5 are to close down the diagonal and get rid of c ...[text shortened]... ause it will make black think since there isn't anything really forcing going on anymore.
28 Feb '12 00:35Originally posted by moon1969You're welcome. I can never resist commenting on a game, especially when I see a potential, usound yet dashing, attack.
Yummy, that does look good in the sense of owning the d5 square and keeping the intitiative going, and blocking that annoying bishop of his bearing down on g2. I think 17.Rd1 and the scenarios you present were definitely viable for me. Fortunately, I think the game was won for me generally with some risk. The 17.Nd2 move I did make kind of punted the ini ...[text shortened]... rooks over to the g-file, and even maybe to the h-file if I did Qxh7. Thanks for the comments.
28 Feb '12 14:001 edit
28 Feb '12 21:51Originally posted by moon1969The same could be said about me. The link between OTB and CC ratings is tenuous, and I have hovered some 150-200 points over my OTB rating for some time now on the site.
No you make good observations, and my RHP rating is actually little inflated by spending so much time on moves and hardcore use of a games database, and also opponents seem so willing to agree to a draw after I got to 2000+. And further just got a couple of wins against a 1980 guy in and out of the hospital (which I didn't know until afterward when I quest ...[text shortened]... higher) seem much more willing to draw now, and I don't lose that many points when I do draw.
28 Feb '12 22:061 editOriginally posted by greenpawn34
[fen]r4rk1/1bp2ppp/pb1p1P2/1p4B1/3Pq1N1/1P6/1PP2PPP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 2[/fen]
So how about Nc3.
[fen]r4rk1/1bp1qppp/pb1p1n2/1p2P1B1/3P2N1/1PN5/1PP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 1[/fen]
It prevents the Qe4 defence, it [b]develops a piece and the f6 Knight is still lost.
[pgn]
[FEN "r4rk1/1bp1qppp/pb1p1n2/1p2P1B1/3P2N1/1P6/1PP2PPP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 t to be. I would have just taken the Knight on f6 and play the game a piece up. }[/pgn]
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01 Mar '12 02:023 editsOriginally posted by greenpawn34GP, thanks for the excellent comments. I agree with your analysis. As you readily recognize, in ways black had an unusal amount of counterplay, and in particular my f-pawn was fixed at f2.
Hi Moon.
Good game (just noticed your opponent's name is Ruylopez!).
The notes were a tad long. (my pet hate at the moment, I despise those scroll bar things).
Also perhaps you and Tom Tom could have used more diagrams when showing
the variations, it helps other readers.
(Sometmes I feel like a big moaning troll patrolling the chess forum - s the middle of the board.
Win, lose or draw, you should let such opportunities pass. 🙂
01 Mar '12 02:252 editsOriginally posted by chessicleI like it. Looks good to me (the position below of your analysis).
[pgn]
[FEN "r4rk1/1bp1qppp/pb1p1n2/1p2P1B1/3P2N1/1P6/1PP2PPP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
1. Nd2 {Covers e4, and allows the knight to come to f3 to defend the long diagonal} dxe5 2. dxe5 Qe6 3. exf6 Qc6 4. Nf3 {Looks good for White to me! Of course there's also 4. Qf3 Qxf3 5. Bxf3 gf3 if you really want the tripled pawns....} Rad8 5. Qc1[/pgn]
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