Where did I go wrong in avoiding the draw?

Where did I go wrong in avoiding the draw?

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WW

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Please help more with the end after I go up one pawn, please.

SY

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You have a mate in 23 after 54... Kxh4.

55. Na5 Ba8 56. b7 Bxb7 57. Nxb7 Kg4 58. f3+ Kg5 59. Nd6 h4 60. Ne4+ Kf5 61. Nf2 h3 62. Nxh3 Ke5 63. f4+ Kd5 64. Ng5 Kd6 65. Ke4 Kd7 66. f5 Ke7 67. Ke5 Kd8 68. f6 Kd7 69. f7 Ke7 70. Kd5 Kf8 71. Ke6 Kg7 72. Nh7 Kg6 73. f8=Q Kxh7 74. Qe8 Kg7 75. Qh5 Kg8 76. Kf6 Kf8 77. Qh8#.

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Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
You have a mate in 23 after 54... Kxh4.

Mate in 23 lol, nice table base analysis...

e4

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Here


Instead of 31.Nd7+ 31.Qe7 wins.
No TB's for me, just your basic Rook and Knight mating patern.
31..Qxe7 (anything else just sheds a load of material.) 32.Rxe7

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I'll have a quick look at the endgame...

here at move 51 you can go after his bishop with Nc5, which he must then give up for your b pawn, then you grab his c pawn with your king. He then gets a dangerous looking h pawn but with careful use of your f pawn your knight easily gets back if it needs to stop his h pawn leaving your f pawn free to queen

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Cowboy From Hell

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Here

[fen]3r1q1k/pb6/5Np1/2ppQ2p/8/1P3pPP/P1P2P2/4R1K1 w - - 0 31[/fen]
Instead of 31.Nd7+ 31.Qe7 wins.
No TB's for me, just your basic Rook and Knight mating patern.
31..Qxe7 (anything else just sheds a load of material.) 32.Rxe7

[fen]3r3k/pb2R3/5Np1/2pp3p/8/1P3pPP/P1P2P2/6K1 b - - 0 32[/fen]
Don't give the man such a simple winning plan. I wanna see the mate in 23. 😛

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Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
You have a mate in 23 after 54... Kxh4.

55. Na5 Ba8 56. b7 Bxb7 57. Nxb7 Kg4 58. f3+ Kg5 59. Nd6 h4 60. Ne4+ Kf5 61. Nf2 h3 62. Nxh3 Ke5 63. f4+ Kd5 64. Ng5 Kd6 65. Ke4 Kd7 66. f5 Ke7 67. Ke5 Kd8 68. f6 Kd7 69. f7 Ke7 70. Kd5 Kf8 71. Ke6 Kg7 72. Nh7 Kg6 73. f8=Q Kxh7 74. Qe8 Kg7 75. Qh5 Kg8 76. Kf6 Kf8 77. Qh8#.
57...Kg4 is inaccurate Kg2 allows black to hold out a little longer.

I guess the engine you're using doesn't have an endgame tablebase.

That might explain this game Game 10360875

SY

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Originally posted by KnightStalker47
57...Kg4 is inaccurate Kg2 allows black to hold out a little longer.

I guess the engine you're using doesn't have an endgame tablebase.

[hidden]That might explain this game Game 10360875[/hidden]
I didnt use an engine for this. And my game your mentioned, it was clearly a draw due to the back rank defense. No engine and tablebase is needed.

e4

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'That might explain this Game 10360875' (unhidden!)

At least it's good to know the 50 move rule works after the update.

In Blog 153 I covered loads of RHP wins in totally drawn Rook Endings.
(and that includes bare Rook v bare Rook)

http://www.redhotpawn.com/blog/blogread.php?blogpostid=153

One my best Blogs, it is one that I certainly enjoyed doing.
These two examples are good.

Jasper Aukes - ziggy15 RHP 2005




dfoote (1591) - rmaki1 (1407) RHP 2012

Duckfinder General

223b Baker Street

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Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
I didnt use an engine for this. And my game your mentioned, it was clearly a draw due to the back rank defense. No engine and tablebase is needed.
The question is why did you not accept the draw offer ?

SY

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Originally posted by thaughbaer
The question is why did you not accept the draw offer ?
Because he was abusive and keep on sending me abusive messages.

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Cowboy From Hell

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Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
Because he was abusive and keep on sending me abusive messages.
Were they like "WTF are you trying to do? Post your rook on every possible square before we draw this?" 😛
It makes little sense to prolong a game with an abusive opponent. Chess players should be frank and blunt and to the point, but you don't deserve to be abused. So opt out, it's better for your soul my friend.

SY

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Originally posted by ChessPraxis
Were they like "WTF are you trying to do? Post your rook on every possible square before we draw this?" 😛
It makes little sense to prolong a game with an abusive opponent. Chess players should be frank and blunt and to the point, but you don't deserve to be abused. So opt out, it's better for your soul my friend.
Because I reported him. The longer I prolong, the higher the chance Russ took action. Unfortunately, Russ is so busy that even now he has not read my message. According to my sent mail, it is still unread. Anyway, the abused started way before it was a clear draw. He was offering draw and writing unwanted messages every move.