Originally posted by Eladar
Eating too much could simply be a symptom. Of course one of those problems has to do with hormones, which can be effected by the kinds of food you eat.

How effective exercise is for controlling weight has much to do with genetics. People do not get equal results.

Yes, it's usually a symptom of having no discipline.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Yes, it's usually a symptom of having no discipline.

LOL
Yes, you are right. Although "hormones" undoubtedly have an effect, forget the nonsense about "hormones" being the main cause, it IS, EXACTLY like you said, "a symptom of having having no discipline".
If a fat person REALLY wanted to loose weight badly enough and had the self-discipline to eat significantly less and less calories so that his calorie intake is definitely less than his calorie burn and had the self-discipline to stick with that for long enough, and he WILL loose weight! and he WILL become slim! -that is just basic physics.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Yes, it's usually a symptom of having no discipline.

Wow, you are ignorant aren't you?

Tell me what happens to a person's metabolism after the thyroid shuts down?

Originally posted by Eladar
Wow, you are ignorant aren't you?

Tell me what happens to a person's metabolism after the thyroid shuts down?

irrelevant; the thyroid does not "shut down" from eating no red meat nor is it the main cause of most cases of obesity.

Originally posted by Eladar
Wow, you are ignorant aren't you?

Tell me what happens to a person's metabolism after the thyroid shuts down?

People with a slower metabolism are still responsible for their own actions.

Originally posted by humy
irrelevant; the thyroid does not "shut down" from eating no red meat nor is it the main cause of most cases of obesity.

This discussion is not about red meat moron, it's about why some people can put on fat.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
People with a slower metabolism are still responsible for their own actions.

Yes they are, but is being fat even though one is eating the same and working out the same as skinny person mean the fat person is doing something wrong? You seem to want to blame it on being lazy.

Are you sticking to your position that being fat means you have no discipline? Are you going to continue to be a bigot?

Originally posted by Eladar
This discussion is not about red meat moron, it's about why some people can put on fat.

If it is irrelevant, why did you mention that eating red meat can make people less fat? You were the one that brought it up.

Originally posted by humy
If it is irrelevant, why did you mention that eating red meat can make people less fat? You were the one that brought it up.

You are irrelevant if you don't want to deal with the actual discussion.

Originally posted by Eladar
Yes they are, but is being fat even though one is eating the same and working out the same as skinny person mean the fat person is doing something wrong? You seem to want to blame it on being lazy.

Are you sticking to your position that being fat means you have no discipline? Are you going to continue to be a bigot?

You seem to want to blame it on being lazy.

You have obviously been paying less attention to what he said than I have. Reminder of what he actually said:

“For the vast majority of people who are overweight it is because they eat too much. What "too much" is varies from person to person since people's metabolism and digestive systems differ. For some people it will be easier than for others to maintain a healthy weight, but in nearly all cases it's a matter of discipline and/or sufficient exercise (mainly the former). “

the operative words in the above are “mainly the former” so, no, he clearly doesn't “seem” (as you said ) to just simplistically blame it on “being lazy” but rather mainly blames it on overeating, just like I do.

Are you sticking to your position that being fat means you have no discipline?

straw man: “luck of discipline” is not “no discipline”. If a fat person really wants to loose weight, with enough discipline he can. Without enough discipline, he won't. Therefore luck of discipline is why some people who are fat stay fat. Exactly where is the error in that argument? please point out EXACTLY where and how it is erroneous ...

Originally posted by Eladar
You are irrelevant if you don't want to deal with the actual discussion.

So does that mean all your talk about red meat was irrelevant? -that does logically follow.

Originally posted by humy
So does that mean all your talk about red meat was irrelevant? -that does logically follow.

This is the calorie is a calorie thread moron, not the vegetarian thread. Go back and see the quote I was making reply, if you are capable of doing so.

Originally posted by Eladar
Yes they are, but is being fat even though one is eating the same and working out the same as skinny person mean the fat person is doing something wrong? You seem to want to blame it on being lazy.

Are you sticking to your position that being fat means you have no discipline? Are you going to continue to be a bigot?

In most cases, it indicates that the fat person doesn't have the discipline to control his weight. Another person not requiring the same discipline to maintain body weight is irrelevant to this observation.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
In most cases, it indicates that the fat person doesn't have the discipline to control his weight. Another person not requiring the same discipline to maintain body weight is irrelevant to this observation.

What if a person does not really care about weight? Does that mean the person is undisciplined? Do you judge a person as being undisciplined because the person is fat?

Originally posted by Eladar
What if a person does not really care about weight? Does that mean the person is undisciplined? Do you judge a person as being undisciplined because the person is fat?

I don't know many people who would choose to be fat, although exceptions obviously exist.