27 Nov 19
@wolfgang59 saidYes, I noticed that apparent inconsistency to.
So you do not have a problem with banning
incandescent bulbs as it would make little difference.
@wolfgang59 saidYes, I have seen some, and they wouldn't be the same kind of light bulbs we propose to ban. I propose only banning those inefficient types that are normally used for lighting, not heating, and nobody here implied the contrary. -Just one of his MANY straw mans. Obviously, the types that are normally used for mainly heating would be just fine because of it and we would have no problem with that.
Infra-red bulbs would be more efficient which is what most restaurants use I believe.
27 Nov 19
@humy said"I propose only banning those inefficient types that are normally used for lighting, not heating"
Yes, I have seen some, and they wouldn't be the same kind of light bulbs we propose to ban. I propose only banning those inefficient types that are normally used for lighting, not heating, and nobody here implied the contrary. -Just one of his MANY straw mans. Obviously, the types that are normally used for mainly heating would be just fine because of it and we would have no problem with that.
Incandescent light bulbs are used for heating. You are contradicting yourself.
27 Nov 19
@wolfgang59 saidHow much do they cost? Are they cost efficient?
Infra-red bulbs would be more efficient which is what most restaurants use I believe.
27 Nov 19
@wolfgang59 saidI suppose so. I would just buy some and stock up. I could sell them later on the black market if there is a demand.
So you do not have a problem with banning
incandescent bulbs as it would make little difference.
@metal-brain saidIf they cost too much why do many if not most restaurants use them?
How much do they cost? Are they cost efficient?
Many restaurants use them well before the ordinary inefficient light bulbs for homes, not the infra-red bulbs, started being phased out. So apparently they didn't cost too much even back then.
Here's one;
https://www.lightbulbs-direct.com/r125-infra-red-reflector-lamp-250w-bc-hard-glass-clear/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_byA5viK5gIVVeDtCh1d0QMTEAQYASABEgLDhvD_BwE
here it costs "£6.49" and its "250W".
For producing 250W of heat, £6.49 doesn't look particularly expensive! So what do you say is the problem here?
@metal-brain saidNot most of them. Most people that use them, and all people that I ever known of, don't use them for heating. Therefore a ban on those types will reduce energy wastage.
Incandescent light bulbs are used for heating.
@metal-brain said1, Yes. I have some in my home. Many light bulbs aren't incandescent.
You know of a light bulb for heating that is not incandescent?
Example;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp
"...LED Light Bulb..."
"LED Light Bulb" just another name for "LED lamp"
2, Yet again you imply the straw man that I am against ALL types of incandescent, INCLUDING infrared ones that are only suitable for heating i.e. NOT lighting. OBVIOUSLY, I am not against the latter and it isn't the ban on the latter that is proposed, because the latter isn't what is responsible for energy wastage.
29 Nov 19
@humy saidNot for heating. LEDs are too efficient for heating. Nobody would use an efficient bulb for heating unless it was efficient at producing infrared light.
1, Yes. I have some in my home. Many light bulbs aren't incandescent.
Example;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp
"...LED Light Bulb..."
"LED Light Bulb" just another name for "LED lamp"
2, Yet again you imply the straw man that I am against ALL types of incandescent, INCLUDING infrared ones that are only suitable for heating i.e. NOT lighting. OBVIOUSLY, I am not aga ...[text shortened]... ban on the latter that is proposed, because the latter isn't what is responsible for energy wastage.
If infrared light bulbs are incandescent your argument is irrelevant. If they cost more than a standard incandescent bulbs your argument is also irrelevant.
@metal-brain saidI did NOT say/imply that and you know it. Yet another new straw man of yours.
Not for heating. LEDs are too efficient for heating.
If infrared light bulbs are incandescent your argument is irrelevant.
No, it isn't. Because my argument was NEVER ban ALL incandescent bulbs but rather only the ones used mainly for lighting and NOT heating and YOU KNOW IT.-Yet another new straw man of yours which is yet another sign you know you have lost the argument.
If they cost more than a standard incandescent bulbs your argument is also irrelevant.For x amount of heating, they don't cost more. I have already shown you a link that shows that. In fact, they per wattage, they usually cost LESS which is why people bought them even before the ones for light were being phased out.
29 Nov 19
@humy said"In fact, they per wattage, they usually cost LESS which is why people bought them even before the ones for light were being phased out."
I did NOT say/imply that and you know it. Yet another new straw man of yours.If infrared light bulbs are incandescent your argument is irrelevant.
No, it isn't. Because my argument was NEVER ban ALL incandescent bulbs but rather only the ones used mainly for lighting and NOT heating and YOU KNOW IT.-Yet another new straw man of yours which is yet another s ...[text shortened]... ally cost LESS which is why people bought them even before the ones for light were being phased out.
I looked for some and they are expensive. Can you find some cheap online that I could buy?
29 Nov 19
@metal-brain saidNot per wattage, which is what counts if its only for heating.
"In fact, they per wattage, they usually cost LESS which is why people bought them even before the ones for light were being phased out."
I looked for some and they are expensive.
30 Nov 19
@humy saidProve it.
Not per wattage, which is what counts if its only for heating.
You have been refusing to believe any of my logical assertions for quite some time. I would think you would have learned I make a lot of sense by now and it isn't by following the crowd. Remember when I told you most of dark matter are black holes?
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/massive-black-hole-not-even-exist-discovered-174700666--abc-news-tech.html
From the link above:
"Searching for black holes has only become possible in the last few years, thanks to recent developments in telescopes and detectors.
But even with the new technology, the academy said it is still "like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack."
You should stop underestimating me.