The forums are dominated by a small number of trolls who are not even subscribers. It seems that the moderator does not wish to continually censor their material so it gets exceedingly offensive without sanction. Even if in rare cases they are kicked off the site, they assume a new name and return within a short time without even a pretense at concealment. Why their free speech has to be protected while others are dirven away from the forum is not clear to me.
Surely as a minimum it is time to restrict forums to subscribers - people who have a stake in the site and a reason to be bothered by sanctions.
Originally posted by finneganThis may be true in Debates, but it isn't in the rest of the forums - so, I might support limiting only the Debates Forum to subs only.
The forums are dominated by a small number of trolls who are not even subscribers. It seems that the moderator does not wish to continually censor their material so it gets exceedingly offensive without sanction. Even if in rare cases they are kicked off the site, they assume a new name and return within a short time without even a pretense at concealment. ...[text shortened]... to subscribers - people who have a stake in the site and a reason to be bothered by sanctions.
Are the non-subs really so much more offensive than subs? Seems I have seen some subs that easily could compete with any non-sub for outrageous behavior.
I honestly do not think making the forums available to "subscribers only" will stop the trolls.
Most of the members of the site use the forums for what they are intended to be.
In my opinion, the way to effectively deal with a troll is to ignore them. Totally. They want attention.
Being ignored is one thing they DO NOT WANT. If you respond to their bad behavior or antics,
you have given them exactly what they are after.
Originally posted by finneganThe problem is not the trolls. The problem is moderation.
The forums are dominated by a small number of trolls who are not even subscribers. It seems that the moderator does not wish to continually censor their material so it gets exceedingly offensive without sanction. Even if in rare cases they are kicked off the site, they assume a new name and return within a short time without even a pretense at concealment. ...[text shortened]... to subscribers - people who have a stake in the site and a reason to be bothered by sanctions.
I am going to complete my current games, cancel my sub and leave.
I do not see any other solution.
Originally posted by caissad4Yes that does seem to be the only answer
The problem is not the trolls. The problem is moderation.
I am going to complete my current games, cancel my sub and leave.
I do not see any other solution.
The two biggest threats to my staying with this site
1 Ratings cheats ,which as far as I have seen ,nothing is being done
2 Threads that descend into two people throwing taunts at one an other
Originally posted by finneganThere are no moderators for the forums at all.
The forums are dominated by a small number of trolls who are not even subscribers. It seems that the moderator does not wish to continually censor their material so it gets exceedingly offensive without sanction. Even if in rare cases they are kicked off the site, they assume a new name and return within a short time without even a pretense at concealment. ...[text shortened]... to subscribers - people who have a stake in the site and a reason to be bothered by sanctions.
After alerting several abusive posts days ago and receiving no response I sent Russ site feedback and his reply indicates that he has no knowledge of any alerts. Apparently when a post is alerted it goes somewhere unknown.
This is not the level of service I paid for.
The way that the system used to work (I can't say if it still does) the alerts report was available to a group of volunteers who would remove the incidental posts and refer the trickier ones, including repeat offenders, back to the group's own private forum for group consideration. Russ would only get involved with the ones who made it into that forum. From my own observations the group of volunteers has dwindled over time, and there may not be anyone left in it.
Since this is a self-regulating process, it is time for those who want the forums to be properly moderated to raise their hands and volunteer themselves. Maybe this thread is the place to start.
Maybe we start a campaign to nominate some new moderators? It's a voluntary job so who will volunteer. Last time we had this discussion was about 4 years ago and after months of carnage** it's settled down into good moderation.
**a couple of poor choices where mods felt it was their responsibility to moderate the arguments instead of dealing with an alerted post in isolation. It was horrible for a while.
Originally posted by caissad4Originally posted by caissad4
The problem is not the trolls. The problem is moderation.
I am going to complete my current games, cancel my sub and leave.
I do not see any other solution.
The problem is not the trolls. The problem is moderation.
I am going to complete my current games, cancel my sub and leave.
I do not see any other solution.
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caissad4, unfortunately and with deep regret I concur with your statement which I've Bolded above.
After an enjoyable eight years and two months, doing so will be difficult to say the least. ~Bob
Originally posted by mwmillerAgree with every word you've written; however, the intrusive presence of trolls on these public forums serves to interfere with and disrupt on topic conversation, discussion and debate on a daily basis. All trolls are by definition hypersensitive to their own wishes and needs yet insensitive to the wishes and needs of others. Tips: All trolls often use the vertical personal pronoun [I] [indicative of their excessive preoccupation with themselves] and the gratuitous use of the site nicknames of others in a cleverly veiled attempt to irritate them as frequently as possible]. All trolls also view negative criticism and Thumbs Down as accolades which reinforce their self perception of notoriety as popularity with their peers.
I honestly do not think making the forums available to "subscribers only" will stop the trolls.
Most of the members of the site use the forums for what they are intended to be.
In my opinion, the way to effectively deal with a troll is to ignore them. Totally. They want attention.
Being ignored is one thing they DO NOT WANT. If you respond to their bad behavior or antics,
you have given them exactly what they are after.
Note: Russ, I hope you'll read this thread created by "finnegan on 14 Sep '15. 07:32". Regards, Bob
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyGB, you can't take a self-imposed three day break without sending a plethora of PMs.
Originally posted by caissad4
The problem is not the trolls. The problem is moderation.
[b]I am going to complete my current games, cancel my sub and leave.
I do not see any other solution.
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caissad4, unfortunately and with deep regret I concur with your statement which I've Bolded above.
After an enjoyable eight years and two months, doing so will be difficult to say the least. ~Bob[/b]
