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05 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipSaved
Name the poster I judged as saying s/he will never be saved ?
Name that poster. Prove by quotation I thus judged them.
DOES NOT MEAN
Eternal life or entering the Kingdom of God
I know you dont understand the difference, and that you enjoy playing with words.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Jumping from NAMING the poster I judged as will not be saved ?
Saved
DOES NOT MEAN
Eternal life or entering the Kingdom of God
I know you dont understand the difference, and that you enjoy playing with words.
Jumping OFF that to another matter ?
Come on. WHO here did I judge as being one that I know cannot be saved ?
Paste in the evidence.
05 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipI never said you said that certain people cannot be saved.
Jumping from NAMING the poster I judged as will not be saved ?
Jumping OFF that to another matter ?
Come on. WHO here did I judge as being one that I know cannot be saved ?
Paste in the evidence.
Quote where I said that.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
I never said you said that certain people cannot be saved.
Quote where I said that.
me:
With the judgment you judge you shall be judged, and with the measure you measure, it shall be measured to you. (Matthew 7:2) .
you:
By that rule you are likely to be eternally tormented then.
"Likely" because of my treatment of who ?
05 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonship
me:
With the judgment you judge you shall be judged, and with the measure you measure, it shall be measured to you. [b](Matthew 7:2) .
you:
By that rule you are likely to be eternally tormented then.
"Likely" because of my treatment of who ?[/b]I never said you said that certain people cannot be saved.
Quote where I said that.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
I never said you said that certain people cannot be saved.
Quote where I said that.
me:
With the judgment you judge you shall be judged, and with the measure you measure, it shall be measured to you. [b](Matthew 7:2) .
you:
By that rule you are likely to be eternally tormented then.
The implication is that because I thus judged someone I "likely" will be condemned to eternal punishment.
It is "likely" because of WHO I thus judged ?
If you cannot name anyone and prove my judging thus of them, then you have no ground to say that it is "likely."
Originally posted by sonshipWhy do I have to say WHO or NAME A POSTER, like you demandedme:
With the judgment you judge you shall be judged, and with the measure you measure, it shall be measured to you. [b](Matthew 7:2) .
you:
By that rule you are likely to be eternally tormented then.
The implication is that because I thus judged someone I "likely" will be condemned to eternal punishment.
It is "likely" becau ...[text shortened]... me anyone and prove my judging thus of them, then you have no ground to say that it is "likely."
Your judgment of people is that all who do not know Christ will be eternally tormented.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
Why do I have to say WHO or NAME A POSTER, like you demanded
Your judgment of people is that all who do not know Christ will be eternally tormented.
Your judgment of people is that all who do not know Christ will be eternally tormented.
My concluding take is that all whose names were not found written in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire. Rev. 20:15.
I tried in vain to help you to see that the ones in Matthew 25:31-46 apparently did not know Christ. But God judged them - sheep and goats.
You would not hear me out.
But the short cut is that ignorant of Christ is one thing and rejection of Christ is another.
And the "Judge of all the earth" cannot do unjustly (Genesis 18:25) .
A aborted baby doesn't know Christ.
Some mentally impaired individuals may perhaps not know Christ.
Other cases of humans who perhaps do not know Christ.
I have decided that God is omniscient and perfect in righteousness. He is infallible. And at the great white throne judgment God tells us -
" And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)
Having said that, we can be certain the this book of life is the Lamb's book of life (Rev. 13:8)
For sure to come to the God-man, the Redeemer Jesus Christ will have your name entered into the book of life.
Originally posted by sonshipI got your reasoning, even though it is flawed and false... but I got it.Your judgment of people is that all who do not know Christ will be eternally tormented.
My concluding take is that all whose names were not found written in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire. [b]Rev. 20:15.
I tried in vain to help you to see that the ones in Matthew 25:31-46 apparently did not know Christ. B ...[text shortened]... ome to the God-man, the Redeemer Jesus Christ will have your name entered into the book of life.[/b]
I got also that you tried to indoctrinate me into your nonsense doctrine .. I got that too.
I got that you tried to fool me into believing something other than what Christ said and did in the Matt 25.judgment and that you are trying in vain to prove that Christians escape that judgment .. got it. But this is not about me ... its about your doctrine
Now, because YOU have concluded that those who do not know Christ will be cast into the lake of fire, then that judgment falls on you IF ... iF YOU ARE FOUND BY CHRIST TO BE THE ONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW HIM. You will be the one to be cast into the lake of fire and be tormented eternally, if this is the case. The Bible lists the conditions for KNOWING CHRIST and its all about following His commandments, [something you find distasteful], and nothing to do with talking about Christ, praying, boasting about needing Christ .. nothing of the sort. Christ is not interested in those things.
Now that doctrine is not one that I subscribe to. My interpretation is that all who are judged to be unworthy to enter the Kingdom of God will be destroyed .. not tormented.
I also see that the Bible says clearly that Christian Saints who return to a life of evil will face greater punishment than those who are not Christians Saints.
Therefore I concluded that normal people who do not know Christ would not even be raised to be punished as there is no cause for it. Christian Saints who turned to evil, after being given everything will be raised and punished .. will face a fate worse than if they did not know Christ in the first place .. like the Bible says.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
I got that you tried to fool me into believing something other than what Christ said and did in the Matt 25.judgment and that you are trying in vain to prove that Christians escape that judgment .. got it. But this is not about me ... its about your doctrine
Where are the Christians in Matthew 25:31-46 ?
Demonstrate the "nonsense".
Do you understand the sheep to be the Christians in that portion of the chapter ?
05 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipALL NATIONS.I got that you tried to fool me into believing something other than what Christ said and did in the Matt 25.judgment and that you are trying in vain to prove that Christians escape that judgment .. got it. But this is not about me ... its about your doctrine
Where are the Christians in [b]Matthew 25:31-46 ?
Demonstrate the "nonsense".
Do you understand the sheep to be the Christians in that portion of the chapter ?[/b]
Go to any school with some 5yr olds and they will tell you what that means.
05 Jul 17
Originally posted by sonshipFurther to your question... The sheep are the righteous as Christ stated clearly. Nothing said about Christians.I got that you tried to fool me into believing something other than what Christ said and did in the Matt 25.judgment and that you are trying in vain to prove that Christians escape that judgment .. got it. But this is not about me ... its about your doctrine
Where are the Christians in [b]Matthew 25:31-46 ?
Demonstrate the "nonsense".
Do you understand the sheep to be the Christians in that portion of the chapter ?[/b]
I already tried in vain to explain Matt 25 to you but you belligerently go back to your vomit, that false doctrine that teaches you that Christians escape that. Nothing whatsoever in the bible supports that notion.
However the elect of God, Group1 Christians [per Christ and Paul], those who please God with both their faith and their works, those sheep of Christ who hear his voice and follow him, those good seed, those fruitful branches ... these and these only will escape that judgement because they are the Saints who will rule with Christ. Not all Christians will be in this category.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I have repented to the Lord that this is all pre-mature knowledge for you.
I already tried in vain to explain Matt 25 to you but you belligerently go back to your vomit, that false doctrine that teaches you that Christians escape that. Nothing whatsoever in the bible supports that notion.
However the elect of God, Group1 Christians [per Christ and Paul], those who please God with both their faith and their works, those sheep of ...[text shortened]... ause they are the Saints who will rule with Christ. Not all Christians will be in this category.
I'm not going to talk with you about Matthew 25 from now forward.
I doubt that even you are clear about the Person of Christ.