Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk What then does the Bible say is 'dead works' if you disagree with the definition that I have given, what do you view to be the correct definition?
YOU justify YOUR definition. I made no definition neither am I prepared to educate an arrogant person like you.
Originally posted by Suzianne I explain it by this passage:
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." -- Matthew 7:13-14, KJV
Not all Christians will have an easy time at ...[text shortened]... not.
Among those who will not are a few here, whom I would label the "aggressively arrogant".
This helps underscore my point. Most of Christianity has lost its way and is not "driven by love", but by fear, self-centeredness, etc.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk Now you are the one sounding a little arrogant. Do you believe 'good works' can be 'dead' and that 'dead works' exist? Yes or No?
There are no good works that can be dead. Dead works are works which some people [including Christians, or even especially Christians] are guilty of because they believe that they are going something good when in fact THEY ARE NOT OBEYING CHRIST.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Obedience to Christ is good works.
Here again:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.(Matthew 7:21-23 KJV)
There are Christian pastors and preachers who cast out devils, attempt to prophesy etc and they believe that is good works.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne This helps underscore my point. Most of Christianity has lost its way and is not "driven by love", but by fear, self-centeredness, etc.
Originally posted by Eladar I'd say mostly self centeredness.
The way that Trump so openly and unapologetically exhibited xenophobia, racism, jingoism, sexism, etc. that appealed to many of his supporters have a basis in fear was well as self-centeredness - as does greed for that matter. Though it seems that a case could be made that ultimately fear has self-centeredness as its basis, so I'm inclined to agree.
People like people like themselves. It's quite telling that Trump has so many Christian supporters.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne The way that Trump so openly and unapologetically exhibited xenophobia, racism, jingoism, sexism, etc. that appealed to many of his supporters have a basis in fear was well as self-centeredness - as does greed for that matter. Though it seems that a case could be made that ultimately fear has self-centeredness as its basis, so I'm inclined to agree.
Pe ...[text shortened]... ple like people like themselves. It's quite telling that Trump has so many Christian supporters.
I have to disagree. Your point of view is the libtard point of view.
I'd say the Christians voted against Hillary and the Democrat platform.
Originally posted by Eladar I have to disagree. Your point of view is the libtard point of view.
I'd say the Christians voted against Hillary and the Democrat platform.
Earlier you posited that most of Christianity has lost its way because it is driven by self-centeredness rather than love.
Given the above and the fact that most Christians voted for Trump, it follows that most Christians voting "against Hillary and the Democrat platform" was similarly driven by self-centeredness rather than love.
Like I said: "People like people like themselves. It's quite telling that Trump has so many Christian supporters."
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne Earlier you posited that most of Christianity has lost its way because it is driven by self-centeredness rather than love.
Given the above and the fact that most Christians voted for Trump, it follows that most Christians voting "against Hillary and the Democrat platform" was similarly driven by self-centeredness rather than love.
Like I said: "Peo ...[text shortened]... le like people like themselves. It's quite telling that Trump has so many Christian supporters."
If you had to choose between Adolf Hitler for president or me, who would you choose?
Would you be voting for me or against Hitler.
In tje last election people chose Trump over Hillary and no more.
Originally posted by Eladar If you had to choose between Adolf Hitler for president or me, who would you choose?
Would you be voting for me or against Hitler.
In tje last election people chose Trump over Hillary and no more.
What does this have to do with the main point of my post?
Earlier you posited that most of Christianity has lost its way because it is driven by self-centeredness rather than love.
Given the above and the fact that most Christians voted for Trump, it follows that most Christians voting "against Hillary and the Democrat platform" was similarly driven by self-centeredness rather than love.
Most Christians are driven by self-centeredness and Trump is driven by self-centeredness and they voted for him.
Like I said: "People like people like themselves. It's quite telling that Trump has so many Christian supporters."
Interesting that you brought up Hitler though, since Hitler also "openly and unapologetically exhibited xenophobia, racism, jingoism, sexism, etc. that appealed to many of his supporters".
10 Dec '16 13:17
If you obey my commands
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