1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    21 Jul '14 04:11
    Originally posted by vivify
    There's an OT law commanding women to get stoned if she's not a virgin when she's married. So no sex before marriage existed before Christianity.
    I don't think that is correct.
    The verses I think you are referring to recommend stoning the woman
    for deception ie pretending she is a virgin on the wedding night.

    This? (Deut. 22:13-21).
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    21 Jul '14 08:20
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I had a Jewish friend who was shagging a Rabbi at every opportunity. She
    told me that the nowhere in the OT does it say sex before marriage is wrong.

    So my question is; why was it wrong after Jesus?
    a woman that proved to not be a virgin on wedding night was to be stoned. what do you think that says about this matter?
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    21 Jul '14 08:28
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Yes you spend time with the person getting to know them as a person.😲
    a good connection as people doesnt always translate into a good sexual connection.
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    21 Jul '14 20:07
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    a woman that proved to not be a virgin on wedding night was to be stoned. what do you think that says about this matter?
    It says that getting married a non-virgin was punishable by death.

    Now back to the topic ................
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    21 Jul '14 21:161 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    a good connection as people doesnt always translate into a good sexual connection.
    really? why do you think that if two people are not 'well connected', that healthy sexual relations might constitute a problem?
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    23 Jul '14 03:05
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    really? why do you think that if two people are not 'well connected', that healthy sexual relations might constitute a problem?
    to be more frank;
    would you buy a car without a test drive first?
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    23 Jul '14 06:57
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    to be more frank;
    would you buy a car without a test drive first?
    A women is not a car, but a human being and potential marriage partner with feelings and emotions. A husband should not treat a potential bride like a whore.
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    23 Jul '14 13:48
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    really? why do you think that if two people are not 'well connected', that healthy sexual relations might constitute a problem?
    do you think everybody who have a good connections as people, will also have a good sexual connection?
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    23 Jul '14 13:50
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    A women is not a car, but a human being and potential marriage partner with feelings and emotions. A husband should not treat a potential bride like a whore.
    and sexual desires, how gutted will she be if she only finds out on her wedding day that the man of her dreams cant fulfil her desires, 60+ more years with a scratch she cant itch.
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    23 Jul '14 21:17
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    A women is not a car, but a human being and potential marriage partner with feelings and emotions. A husband should not treat a potential bride like a whore.
    I dare say I treat women a whole lot better than you!
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    24 Jul '14 01:271 edit
    Their having sex would consummate their marriage. Once you get to that point you are intimately connected as a couple. The ceremony is superficial to the union before Yahweh. Though the exchange of vows and conferral of grace is very important to a lasting marriage.
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    24 Jul '14 01:50
    Originally posted by Of Ants and Imps
    Their having sex would consummate their marriage. Once you get to that point you are intimately connected as a couple. The ceremony is superficial to the union before Yahweh. Though the exchange of vows and conferral of grace is very important to a lasting marriage.
    But if one does not mean for this to be a marriage, he should go ahead and pay his money up front, so it is all clear and fair to the woman.
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    24 Jul '14 08:06
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I had a Jewish friend who was shagging a Rabbi at every opportunity. She
    told me that the nowhere in the OT does it say sex before marriage is wrong.

    So my question is; why was it wrong after Jesus?
    there is no sex after marriage
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    24 Jul '14 10:21
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    there is no sex after marriage
    Do you mean shagging?
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    24 Jul '14 22:53
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Do you mean shagging?
    did you have sex before marriage?
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