Originally posted by lemon lime
FMF: whodey can't, in all seriousness, be comparing the political deeds of Adolf Hitler to those of President Obama.

He wasn't. whodey was responding to your claim that all it takes for someone to be a Christian is to say he is. He was asking if you believe Hitler was a Christian. But you've already answered that question.

Originally posted by FMF
I will correct you once again. What I have said is that what it takes to be a Christian is to believe the Biblical claims about Jesus Christ and about the Christian God, and to believe that one can be "saved" thanks to the sacrifice made by Christ. If this was true for Hitler, then he was a Christian. If it is true for Mr Obama, then he is a Christian. If it is true for whodey and for you, then you are both Christians.

Originally posted by FMF
This just seems evasive on your part.

If Mr Obama can be compared to Adolf Hitler, because both said they were Christians, can all people who say they are Christians therefore be compared to Obama and Hitler?

Originally posted by lemon lime
It appears you are woefully unaware that true Christianity and antisemitism are incompatible.

If support for Israel can come from predominantly Christian nations, and denial of Israel as a sovereign nation can be traced to antisemitism, then what does that tell you? Can we assume you were antisemitic for nearly 30 years when you were a Ch ...[text shortened]... The association you make between Christianity and antisemitism isn't just insulting, it's crazy.

Originally posted by lemon lime
I'm aware of your proclivity for misdirection, so I'm correctly defining what it means to compare one thing to another. If I'm evading anything I'm evading being misdirected by you. Do you have a problem with that?

Originally posted by FMF
The only 'problem' one might say I have is that you have once again evaded answered the question in hand: If Mr Obama can be compared to Adolf Hitler, because both said they were Christians, can all people who say they are Christians therefore be compared to Obama and Hitler?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Of course they can be compared, but saying "compared to" is not the same as "equated", and you are clearly attempting to link Christianity to antisemitism with your questions about comparisons. It's odd that you are not able to understand this... or maybe you do, and choose not to acknowledge it.

Originally posted by lemon lime
It appears you are woefully unaware that true Christianity and antisemitism are incompatible.

If support for Israel can come from predominantly Christian nations, and denial of Israel as a sovereign nation can be traced to antisemitism, then what does that tell you? Can we assume you were antisemitic for nearly 30 years when you were a Ch ...[text shortened]... The association you make between Christianity and antisemitism isn't just insulting, it's crazy.

There was continuing hostility to Judaism from the late Roman period into medieval times. During the Middle Ages in Europe there was a full-scale persecution of Jews in many places, with blood libels, expulsions, forced conversions and killings. In the 12th century, there were Christians who believed that some, or possibly all, of the Jews possessed magical powers and had gained these powers from making a pact with the devil. Judensau images began to appear in Germany.

The persecution of the Jews in Europe reached a climax during the Crusades. At the time of the First Crusade, in 1096, a German Crusade destroyed flourishing Jewish communities on the Rhine and the Danube. In the Second Crusade in 1147, the Jews in France were the victims of frequent killings and atrocities. The Jews were also subjected to attacks during the Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320. Following these crusades, Jews were subject to expulsions, including, in 1290, the banishing of all English Jews. In 1396, 100,000 Jews were expelled from France and in 1421, thousands were expelled from Austria. Many of those expelled fled to Poland.[40]

As the Black Death plague swept across Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than half of the population, Jews often became the scapegoats. Rumors spread that they had caused this epidemic by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by the ensuing hatred and violence. Pope Clement VI tried to protect Jews by a papal bull dated July 6, 1348, and by an additional bull soon afterwards, but several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague had not yet affected the city.[41]

Originally posted by FMF
Why have you put the word "equated" in quotation marks? I have not used it once on this thread; I have said "comparing" and "compared to" on several occasions. Why have you introduced the word "equated"; who are you attributing it to?

As for your historical literacy and viewpoint pitted against mine, I see there as having been a clear link between Christians ...[text shortened]... ches back for many centuries, and I hardly think saying this is the slightest bit controversial.

Originally posted by lemon lime
... you equate persecution of Jews to Christianity, so your questions about comparisons comes across as a thinly masked confession of that belief.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Seriously, are you really not aware of how your personal biases clearly show themselves in the questions you ask? Suzi sees it, I see it, whodey sees it...

... you don't see it?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on the history of antisemitism:

There was continuing hostility to Judaism from the late Roman period into medieval times. During the Middle Ages in Europe there was a full-scale persecution of Jews in many places, with blood libels, expulsions, forced conversions and killings. In the 12th century, t ...[text shortened]... Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague had not yet affected the city.[41]

Originally posted by whodey
Many blame religion for all the world's woes, but in truth, it simply the statists/collectivists who attach themselves to it in order to unleash their great evils upon society in the name of God. For Christianity, Constantine was the first to do this. Before Constantine, the religion was spread as Christians were being murdered left and right from statists such as Nero.

If he sets in the back or in the rooms that have the glass windows he would not be a distraction.

Originally posted by whodey
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/26/obama-doesnt-attend-church-so-as-not-to-distract-others-says-advisor/

According to Obama, the reason he does not attend church is that he is too much of a distraction.

Is this the real reason?

Here are some other reasons I can think of.

1. Rev. Wright makes secret house calls.

2. Obama gets b ...[text shortened]... around the church, none of the money goes to him. The church refuses to pay him his fair share.