01 Dec '15 23:07>
Originally posted by yoctobyte
[quote]The difference [a difference] is that atheism is not a belief system, and Christianity is.
Christianity comes as a huge package [in many different flavours to suite nearly all tastes]
of beliefs and ideas and history and cultural baggage etc.
Atheism is simply the position of lacking a belief in a god or gods. There is not there t ...[text shortened]... gent, I am sure you would not want me to judge you based on the actions of another... would you?
You can say atheism (and you may believe it yourself is not a religion), but it certainly is adhered to as if it were by many, I know of some myself. But aren't we arguing semantics here if we allow ourselves to?
I didn't say that atheism is not a religion [it isn't a religion, but that's not what I said].
What I said is it's not a belief system. Which is simply a true fact.
Atheism is most broadly the position of LACKING a belief about the existence of god or gods.
That is it. There is nothing else. There are no beliefs here, there certainly is no belief system or world view.
This isn't just semantics.
There is nothing that I am aware of in the bible that speaks to 'abortion', it's life and we should call it that so there is no confusion.
The confusion is all on your end, I am not at all confused on this subject.
I am not arguing anything about abortion.
Your previous sentence says otherwise.
However what I was doing was giving an example, whether you were talking about it or not is irrelevant.
The truth is, if the revelations of late summer and early fall of this year with regards to abortion and Planned Parenthood don't turn your stomach, I don't know what will.
There were no revelations about Planned Parenthood.
I do believe this, we are beyond the 'pro-choice or rights argument' with regards to abortion, and on to celebrating it... truthfully we are... it's sickening.
Then what you believe is wrong.
As a side note, do you believe abortion is bad?
Nope.
I think you must have hit on every hot topic of the day and linked it with Christianity whether intentionally or not.
Then you are not thinking very clearly, because that's not at all what I just did.
A belief in no God is in of itself a belief, it is!
Yes. But I didn't say a belief in no god, I said a LACK of belief in god or gods.
Learn the difference.
We all have a system by which we function, a moral compass if you will. The subject of morals is hot because it is associated with a belief system, faith or religion if you will... but we all operate from one regardless of what we call it. Sometimes, as in the case of the man of the hour 'Robert Louis Dear' something goes wrong and people go haywire. Maybe this is due to financial pressures, family stress, drugs and alcohol, misinterpreted writings from wherever or mental illness... maybe big pharma? I understand that the majority of mass murders in the US are associated with anti-depressants/psychiatric drugs , should we now say that anybody taken these drugs is a possible threat? Because that is what the OP asserts with regards to Christians.
We do indeed all have belief systems and world views of one kind or another. I didn't claim otherwise.
My point, is that atheism isn't a belief system or world view.
So if we are pointing to world views or belief systems that cause harm, atheism is not part of the conversation
because it isn't a belief system or world view. It's typically a result of whatever belief system or world views that
the atheist in question believes in.
Christianity on the other hand IS a world view and belief system and as such does and is supposed to alter the
thoughts and behaviour of the person who subscribes to it and thus bears some responsibility for the actions of
it's adherents. Particularly in areas where it's teachings are relevant.
The point is, the lumping of all Christians together to paint some picture has to stop. Judge a man individually and by his fruits and not by that actions of someone else or their profession of faith. It is only the fair thing to do, and the right thing!
You seem rather intelligent, I am sure you would not want me to judge you based on the actions of another... would you?
There were some perfectly nice people who were good family members and were kind, good with kids/animals etc
who were members of the Nazi Party.
Does this mean that Nazi ideology wasn't a bad influence that caused an awful lot of harm?
No, of course not.
When I say [for example] that the Christian religion is bad/harmful/dangerous/evil/etc I am not calling all the PEOPLE
in that religion bad/harmful/dangerous/evil/etc. I am talking about the ideology, not the people.
One example I often bring up is that Christianity [like all religions] promotes belief by faith as a virtue and something
that you should do. Because Christianity [like all religions] has claims in it that are not supported by evidence and thus
cannot be believed rationally/scientifically. This is dangerous as it basically gives a person carte blanche to believe whatever
they want to believe, and some people want to believe dangerous things. It also makes you more vulnerable to being
conned. Con-artists rely on people not thinking critically and rationally to perpetrate their scams. Religions treat critical
thinking and skepticism as a threat and actively seek to suppress peoples ability to think skeptically and rationally.
Something that is already hard to do.
Now this leads to all kinds of different results. For example Suzianne doesn't buy the idea of a young Earth or that the
bible tells us how the world works and thus is [relatively] un-threatened by much of science and so happily accepts
much of science. RJHinds on the other hand does think that the bible tells us how the world works and does buy the
idea of a young Earth and is thus much more threatened by science and thus rejects almost all of it.
Both have problems with reality, but to different degrees and in different circumstances because their personal take is
different.
However, both have the same underlying problem of belief based on faith promoted by [roughly] the same religion/belief
system... Christianity.
I can thus comfortably say that their belief system [variations on a theme of Christianity] is doing them harm, and causing
them to be wrong. It is their religion that is at least in part to blame.
Now their beliefs and world view shapes their actions, and any harm they do in the world that stems from these wrong
beliefs promoted and allowed by Christianity is thus at least partly that religions fault.