18 Aug 14
Originally posted by gortI knew a person who vacationed in Europe not to long ago. Unfortunately, she had a bowel obstruction and was admitted to a hospital. There they did a surgery, but the obstruction did not resolve. Essentially their attitude was, you are 70 years old and lived a good life, and we gave it a try to help you, but now just let nature take its course. It was then that her son, who was a doctor in the US, flew over and assessed the situation and forced the issue to do another surgery. That was about 5 years ago, and she is doing fine today.
but Whodey, I see the good of your topic, and it's good to raise points and it's a good question, I was just frustrated I couldn't edit something, but it hurts to talk about so carry on and I'm not going to chime in again.
This is the sort of attitude I don't want in the US. I don't want hospitals fudging the books in order to simply let the very sick die. This is what has already happened with socialized medicine in terms of the VA here in the US. Medical people should not be in the habit of assisting people to die. There are other ways to help them be comfortable. I've already seen with my own eyes enough reasons to avoid like the plague these Fabian socialist types with the mind set that if you have outlived your usefulness to Big Brother, then they quickly lose interest in caring anything about you.
So what of Robin? Who is to say that his "pain" was not that of a cancer patient in their later stages? Are we to then play God? I suppose in Godless Europe, someone has to play the part.
18 Aug 14
Originally posted by gortYou miss my point entirely.
bowel obstruction and terminal brain cancer is different and until it's your immediate family, then have fun creating medical threads on chess sites.
I think it possible that had the culture not accepted a mind set over the years, she would have been treated properly.
And guess what, we are all terminal and all experience pain. Who plays God and says enough is enough? We all know people who have tried to kill themselves, and failed, and are happy they failed.
18 Aug 14
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Originally posted by gortAre they in some sort of violation of RHP law? If so, complain and maybe you can get them censored.
I notice that most of the people here that haven't played chess in a year here but run there mouth is asking for it.
If not, maybe you can champion a law to be made for just that.
18 Aug 14
Originally posted by whodeyDid you actually know this person or is this person a fictional character featured in one of the chain e-mails you received?
I knew a person who vacationed in Europe not to long ago. Unfortunately, she had a bowel obstruction and was admitted to a hospital. There they did a surgery, but the obstruction did not resolve. Essentially their attitude was, you are 70 years old and lived a good life, and we gave it a try to help you, but now just let nature take its course. It was the ...[text shortened]... r stages? Are we to then play God? I suppose in Godless Europe, someone has to play the part.
18 Aug 14
Originally posted by whodeyYes, but you know as well as I do that whatever was responsible for the BP oil spill, it could have easily been averted if enough resources had been put into more stringent security measures. Besides, who collects all the money that was donated in the aid for the 2005 tsunami? Not Mr. Jones from down the street I can tell you. No, he has to make ends meet even though he’s been a car mechanic for over 35 years.
The VA you pompous, self righteous, narrow minded, little arse.
Incidentally, the gas chambers were not made public in Nazi Germany but hidden from them, much like the VA situation in Arizona. In fact, the doctors who blew the whistle first reached out to Senator John McCain. Now you would think that being a former veteran, and a member of the GOP, John ...[text shortened]... h socialized medicine as they had, assuming the Congressman in question did not force the issue.
Speakings of cars. What’s the deal with small men driving big cars? It’s an outrage I tells ya!
THANKS A LOT, OBAMA!
18 Aug 14
Originally posted by whodeyWell, first of all let us agree that there is no such thing as a “god”. We’re all grown-ups here. No need for those kinds of fairytales.
So what of Robin? Who is to say that his "pain" was not that of a cancer patient in their later stages? Are we to then play God? I suppose in Godless Europe, someone has to play the part.
Having settled that, how is it not “playing god” to try and cure someone from a bowel obstruction? Obviously, her time had come, but nooooooooooo, we pesky humans have to intervene in the natural course of life and death and let someone live even though nature (or, in retarded land, “God” ) had decided it was enough.
But, yeah, it’s only “playing God” when Whodey decides so, isn’t it?
18 Aug 14
So, Whodey, how about these questions:
Does Whodey feel for instance that an individual should be forced to take medication against some terrible disease, even if he/she doesn't want to?
What about somebody in the ER carrying a DNR?
You know, you've effectively equated patients, their relatives and doctors to nazis gassing millions of people. The least you can do is explain your position more clearly. For our entertainment and amazement and annoyance and shots and giggles.
20 Aug 14
Originally posted by Great King RatI take no issue with people turning down treatment, but I do take issue with medical people actively helping someone die.
So, Whodey, how about these questions:
Does Whodey feel for instance that an individual should be forced to take medication against some terrible disease, even if he/she doesn't want to?
What about somebody in the ER carrying a DNR?
You know, you've effectively equated patients, their relatives and doctors to nazis gassing millions of people. ...[text shortened]... position more clearly. For our entertainment and amazement and annoyance and shots and giggles.
20 Aug 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWell, if God didn't want people to commit suicide, he should've just made them immortal.
UK or US Resident, theist or atheist, like it or not, any human beings who [by reason of an uncoerced act of their own free will] decide to commit suicide presume to superimpose human will over the will of God who gave them physical life at birth.
20 Aug 14
Originally posted by whodey1) So a man gets brought into the ER with a heart attack. He needs CPR - this will most probably will save his life – but carries a DNR. The doctor respects this wish and does not give CPR. The man dies.
I take no issue with people turning down treatment, but I do take issue with medical people actively helping someone die.
You agree with this decision?
Do you find it a morally difficult choice? Do you feel the doctor should respect the wish but should also feel bad about it? If you’re capable of performing CPR and you find yourself in the situation the doctor was in, do you start CPR or do you respect the man’s DNR?
2) A man with a terrible, painful, lethal illness has one year left to live. He will quickly get worse. He will end up vomiting blood, getting internal bleedings, he won’t be able to move. He wants euthanasia. Am I correct in understanding you don’t want this man’s – literally – dying wish concerning his very own life and death to be respected? He should suffer until his body finally gives up?
When should a human be taken off life support? In the case of life support, what is the difference between simply stopping life support and actually “murdering” (welcome to Whodeyworld where the only language is Whodeylanguage) the patient?
Thanks for answering, buddy.
It’s fun to think about these issues a bit more, don’t you agree? Let’s try to understand the mindset of these nazis a bit more.
By the way, you’re perfectly allowed to write a bit more than one sentence when the subject is of such complexity. You never shut up, no reason to start now.