The burkini

Not sure if this point's been made, but are snorkelling diving parties who gather at beaches in full body wetsuits, or surfers dressed the same, told to remove their gear?

Originally posted by kmax87
Not sure if this point's been made, but are snorkelling diving parties who gather at beaches in full body wetsuits, or surfers dressed the same, told to remove their gear?

The above is a fallacious argument. First of all a full wet suit is not a religious garb, a burkini is despite claims to the contrary, its an expression of religiosity. Secondly, one would expect to see people on a beach with diving or snorkelling gear (this is important due to French secular laws) and thirdly wet suits don't remind people of a religion which heralds values that are alien and offensive to many people and whose extreme elements had only just recently mowed through a crowded promenade in a truck intent on killing as many people as possible. I am not entirely sure what kind of fallacy it is, maybe a fallacy of false analogy?

A false analogy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone applies facts from one situation to another situation but the situations are substantially different and the same conclusions cannot logically be drawn.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_analogy

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The above is a fallacious argument. First of all a full wet suit is not a religious garb, a burkini is despite claims to the contrary, its an expression of religiosity. Secondly, one would expect to see people on a beach with diving or snorkelling gear (this is important due to French secular laws) and thirdly wet suits don't remind people of a rel ...[text shortened]... nd the same conclusions cannot logically be drawn.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_analogy

The wetsuit looks pathetic too.

Chill!
It's international good news and Vino day!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The above is a fallacious argument. First of all a full wet suit is not a religious garb, a burkini is despite claims to the contrary, its an expression of religiosity. Secondly, one would expect to see people on a beach with diving or snorkelling gear (this is important due to French secular laws) and thirdly wet suits don't remind people of a rel ...[text shortened]... nd the same conclusions cannot logically be drawn.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_analogy

We get it; you think discrimination against Muslims is A-OK. That's your "unbiased" view.

Originally posted by no1marauder
We get it; you think discrimination against Muslims is A-OK. That's your "unbiased" view.

I have noticed a rather unsavoury proclivity among the contributors to the debates forum for attempting to use assumed values that have not been explicitly expressed in order to form them into cyber rockets to launch against their opponents in debate. This type of transparent attack is rarely if ever successful and in many instances simple logic and reason is all that is needed to overturn it.

Originally posted by shavixmir
The wetsuit looks pathetic too.

Chill!
It's international good news and Vino day!

😀

From Facebook.

No woman in a burqa (or a hijab or a burkini) has ever done me any harm. But I was sacked (without explanation) by a man in a suit. Men in suits missold me pensions and endowments, costing me thousands of pounds. A man in a suit led us into a disastrous and illegal war. Men in suits led the banks and crashed the world's economy. Other men in suits then increased the misery to millions through austerity.

If we are to start telling people what to wear, maybe we should ban suits.

Henry Stewart, London

Originally posted by finnegan
From Facebook.

No woman in a burqa (or a hijab or a burkini) has ever done me any harm. But I was sacked (without explanation) by a man in a suit. Men in suits missold me pensions and endowments, costing me thousands of pounds. A man in a suit led us into a disastrous and illegal war. Men in suits led the banks and crashed the world's economy. ...[text shortened]... tart telling people what to wear, maybe we should ban suits.

Henry Stewart, London

Men in suits don't drive trucks loaded with explosives through crowded beach promenades trying to mow down as many people as possible. Just sayin.

Nor was the man who drove that truck in a burkini... just saying

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Men in suits don't drive trucks loaded with explosives through crowded beach promenades trying to mow down as many people as possible. Just sayin.

No, men in suits belong to the think tanks and economic policy fora that enable politicians to find plausible reasons to justify going to war.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have noticed a rather unsavoury proclivity among the contributors to the debates forum for attempting to use assumed values that have not been explicitly expressed in order to form them into cyber rockets to launch against their opponents in debate. This type of transparent attack is rarely if ever successful and in many instances simple logic and reason is all that is needed to overturn it.

Unfortunately, being a sleazy bigot is the only "rational" explanation for why someone would be concerned about people's choice of beachwear.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The above is a fallacious argument. First of all a full wet suit is not a religious garb, a burkini is despite claims to the contrary, its an expression of religiosity. Secondly, one would expect to see people on a beach with diving or snorkelling gear (this is important due to French secular laws) and thirdly wet suits don't remind people of a rel ...[text shortened]... nd the same conclusions cannot logically be drawn.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_analogy

Howabout Christian priests and their dog-collars or monks and nuns. Should they be kept away from public places in case anyone is offended by their religious clothing?

Originally posted by DeepThought
Howabout Christian priests and their dog-collars or monks and nuns. Should they be kept away from public places in case anyone is offended by their religious clothing?

I cannot remember the first or last time I saw a priest or a nun swimming in the sea in full religious garb. Perhaps your experience has been different.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I cannot remember the first or last time I saw a priest or a nun swimming in the sea in full religious garb. Perhaps your experience has been different.

I see. So it's only beaches where it matters?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I cannot remember the first or last time I saw a priest or a nun swimming in the sea in full religious garb. Perhaps your experience has been different.

Why do you still think it matters what you remember or think is normal? Why do you think you have a right to tell other people how to dress?