The burkini

Originally posted by lemon lime
Got ya stumped, eh? Okay then, this might help un-stump you...

If I'm reading you and a few others here correctly you are saying individuals have rights. Fair enough, but groups of individuals forming nations (with their own particular identity and culture) also have rights, the most important being the right for them to exist as a nation.
If the Fren ...[text shortened]... ational identity where they live and call home?
Whose will (bias) prevails in your home?

I meant to say province (as in jurisdictional authority) and not 'providence'.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Got ya stumped, eh? Okay then, this might help un-stump you...

If I'm reading you and a few others here correctly you are saying individuals have rights. Fair enough, but groups of individuals forming nations (with their own particular identity and culture) also have rights, the most important being the right for them to exist as a nation.
If the Fren ...[text shortened]... ational identity where they live and call home?
Whose will (bias) prevails in your home?

Sorry I'm not on this Forum 24 hours a day.

What you say is true to a certain extent, but France has already allowed these people to become French citizens. Therefore, it's a bit late to claim you can discriminate against them because they don't fit some national identity that you now want to enforce.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Sorry I'm not on this Forum 24 hours a day.

What you say is true to a certain extent, but France has already allowed these people to become French citizens. Therefore, it's a bit late to claim you can discriminate against them because they don't fit some national identity that you now want to enforce.

If they are French citizens then why do they stand out as being Muslim? Are the Muslims doing anything that identifies them as belonging to Islam? Are Islamic terrorists not Muslims?

Do you think the French are stupid? Or maybe some French Muslims are naïve in thinking the French do not associate Islamic terrorism with Islam.

I think perhaps they do, no?

Originally posted by lemon lime
If they are French citizens then why do they stand out as being Muslim? Are the Muslims doing anything that identifies them as belonging to Islam? Are Islamic terrorists not Muslims?

Do you think the French are stupid? Or maybe some French Muslims are naïve in thinking the French do not associate Islamic terrorism with Islam.

I think perhaps they do, no?

Since when can't free people identify themselves as whatever they want?

You seem to desire a tyranny.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Sorry I'm not on this Forum 24 hours a day.

What you say is true to a certain extent, but France has already allowed these people to become French citizens. Therefore, it's a bit late to claim you can discriminate against them because they don't fit some national identity that you now want to enforce.

What do you mean that I want to enforce? That doesn't make any sense. It's up to the French for making and enforcing their laws, not me. I am not French, nor do I live in France.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Since when can't free people identify themselves as whatever they want?

You seem to desire a tyranny.

Whatever floats your head.

Originally posted by lemon lime
What do you mean that I want to enforce? That doesn't make any sense. It's up to the French for making and enforcing their laws, not me. I am not French, nor do I live in France.

Don't weasel; you adopted a position supportive of discriminatory laws against French Muslims. If you are really so unconcerned about these issues, you wouldn't be posting in this thread.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Why is her opinion more "biased" than yours?

because she is a Muslim and personally involved with the issue, I am merely an observer.

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I do not dispute it, I am merely content to mock its absurdity. We are not living in Victorian England and to attempt to dredge some piece of attire up from the past and use it to politicise your stance deserves to be mocked. Furthermore her perspective is intellectually dishonest because she is attempting to distance Islam from the garb when in reality the burkini was specifically designed for Muslims, to adhere to Islamic belief and is by its very nature a display of religiosity which some people (not myself) find objectionable. Clearly she needs a good ol Islamic slap on the back of the head to bring her back to reality as recommended in the Koran as a treatment for misguided women - see Sura 4:34

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because she is a Muslim and personally involved with the issue, I am merely an observer.

Since she's an Englishwoman, she's no more "personally involved" with the issue than you are.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Since she's an Englishwoman, she's no more "personally involved" with the issue than you are.

She is a Muslim and is therefore more personally involved than I because the issue is specific to Muslims

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
She is a Muslim and is therefore more personally involved than I because the issue is specific to Muslims

So the objections of members of a discriminated minority's opinions as regards policies that discriminate against them should be ignored because they are "biased"?

Note that this person isn't actually "personally involved" because she doesn't live in France and thus the discrimination has no direct effect on her.

Originally posted by no1marauder
So the objections of members of a discriminated minority's opinions as regards policies that discriminate against them should be ignored because they are "biased"?

Note that this person isn't actually "personally involved" because she doesn't live in France and thus the discrimination has no direct effect on her.

Load your questions much? She has a vested interest by virtue of her religious affiliation and is displaying a bias as a direct consequence. Why this should be problematic I cannot say.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Load your questions much? She has a vested interest by virtue of her religious affiliation and is displaying a bias as a direct consequence. Why this should be problematic I cannot say.

Perhaps you are displaying a "bias" because your religion wouldn't be affected by the discrimination.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Perhaps you are displaying a "bias" because your religion wouldn't be affected by the discrimination.

Dude please, lets try to remain objective. 🙂