Clan Leader vote

Originally posted by mghrn55
That is false !!!!
You haven't been paying attention.

A lot of people wanted punishment for the indiscretions of 2016.
But they were backed into a corner of selecting the only option that provided for the punishment.
Option 3 had considerable support !!

And you are making this about Metallica again !!

I'm using Metallica in a generic way and I stand by my observation about the vote

The whole voting process is a complete sham
I think it was designed to make ELO the vote winner
it didn't work
There should be an option to punish on all the proposals
Or a vote on punish or not and then a vote on the new or not system

Originally posted by padger
The whole voting process is a complete sham
I think it was designed to make ELO the vote winner
it didn't work
There should be an option to punish on all the proposals
Or a vote on punish or not and then a vote on the new or not system

It seems to me that people are more interested in punishment rather than reform.

Originally posted by divegeester
It seems to me that people are more interested in punishment rather than reform.

No system will work unless a statement is made against those who cheat
Points have been removed in the past and clans suspended this should have been done ages ago without the need for a vote
If the punishment is severe and warning issued to every clan leader that future cheating will result in a ban then it will stop

No amnesty

Originally posted by lemondrop
those who voted for punishment also want to keep the same scoring system
you think Metallica wants to change the scoring
I don't think so

Too bad that you didn't read my explanation of my vote BEFORE anyone started with comments like this.
Before you were here, there have been 3 different modifications to determining the winners.
These changes were made in an attempt to thwart Metallica.
We have rolled with the punches on each one.
As long as the changes are EQUALLY administered to ALL clans, we will adapt to the
changes and be competitive.

Originally is was gross points wins.
Then they changed it to net points wins.
Then they changed it to limit number of concurrent challenges against any particular clan to 3 from infinite.
Then they changed how often you could even challenge a particular clan from infinite
to once a week.

However, the ELO clan experiment was clearly not going to work....for anyone.

Your statement shows the same Metallica animus of several out there who don't like the fact
that we work hard to accomplish what we have, and because they are unwilling to work
that hard, they seek to penalize us in an attempt to "level the field"
I am telling you here and now....I don't care what system they use as long as it is legitimate
and "Level for ALL clans"....not "All clans EXCEPT Metallica".

Metallica's method of play is clever and successful

it would change for the better if every game in a challenge counts

there'd be no incentive to resign early, and no artificial rating drop

this is equitable, playable, and good for all clans

Originally posted by Giannotti
Metallica's method of play is clever and successful

it would change for the better if every game in a challenge counts

there'd be no incentive to resign early, and no artificial rating drop

this is equitable, playable, and good for all clans

I have submitted a proposal to ensure that every game counts.

Originally posted by Giannotti
Metallica's method of play is clever and successful

it would change for the better if every game in a challenge counts

there'd be no incentive to resign early, and no artificial rating drop

this is equitable, playable, and good for all clans

let's be honest
what you call clever
I call predatory
there success was built on the ignorance and outright stupidity of so many clan leaders
I will give Metallica credit for their ability to find and exploit these weak leaders

Originally posted by lemondrop
let's be honest
what you call clever
I call predatory
there success was built on the ignorance and outright stupidity of so many clan leaders
I will give Metallica credit for their ability to find and exploit these weak leaders

That's funny !! Weak leaders ??
You mean the 3 clans on the last page of the clan table in 2016 and 2017 ?
You mean those weak leaders ??😀

call it predatory if you like
they're in it to win and their strategy works best under the current system

almost too well...
i've had difficulty getting, what i feel to be, an equal challenge
it's tricky to do so when their ratings don't reflect their actual ability

if mghrn55's suggestion or mine is adopted
i'll wait until i see their ratings hit their natural level
then i look forward to playing them again
i'll be able to challenge them with confidence

Originally posted by Giannotti
...it would change for the better if every game in a challenge counts...

This seems to be a reasonable suggestion.

Originally posted by lemondrop
let's be honest
what you call clever
I call predatory
there success was built on the ignorance and outright stupidity of so many clan leaders
I will give Metallica credit for their ability to find and exploit these weak leaders

Oh please!!! We play more challenges than any other clan. We don't run from any clan.
All clans cannot say that. You indicated you always want an advantage in any challenge
you accept. You are like robbie in that respect because you won't accept a fair or a
disadvantaged challenge. I have accepted many disadvantaged challenges. Some
leaders have the audacity to think they deserve the advantage every time. I have
posted dead even challenges to robbie and he runs like a girl form them.
Our success was built on determination and playing the game with a bit of tactics
sprinkled in for good measure.

One thing you have NEVER seen Metallica do is engaging in collusion with other
clans in order to gain points. There are a number of clans (besides robbie and the three sisters)
who have been benefactors of hand me down points from the sisters. Several of them
are currently in the top 10 clans too.
Metallica has not played a challenge against these clans.
ALL of our points were earned legitimately.

Too bad you can't say the same..........

Since the vote is over
When will we finally see some action?

Originally posted by shortcircuit
Oh please!!! We play more challenges than any other clan. We don't run from any clan.
All clans cannot say that. You indicated you always want an advantage in any challenge
you accept. You are like robbie in that respect because you won't accept a fair or a
disadvantaged challenge. I have accepted many disadvantaged challenges. Some
leaders have th ...[text shortened]... clans.
ALL of our points were earned legitimately.

Too bad you can't say the same..........

there are things in this world you will never understand
you are not a straight shooter no matter what you claim
more power to you
either you are a genius with no peers or the other leaders are just plain stupid

action is called for, and i have confidence in Russ

i'm hoping for a simple point rollback to address collusion
they're not bad guys, i think they were just making a point

after the correction...
RHP needs to take a fresh look at clan play and how it is scored

with their help, we'll get this all sorted out