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Originally posted by RJHinds
I hope you learned something, but you still have much to learn. 😏

Oh yes, I learned something--but not from you.

Barack Hussein Obama- Characteristics Of The Antichrist & Mahdi/Quran's Savior Is Bible's Antichrist

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Originally posted by moonbus
Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary Second Ed. (the whacking big library edition): “prophecy: 1. the work, function, vocation of a prophet: utterance under the inspiring influence of religious experience; the utterance of a prophet as recorded. Specif; a. that which is spoken for a god, declaration or interpretation of the will or purpose of a god; esp. Jewish o ...[text shortened]... en so;[/i] only secondarily or “on special occasions” a sort of prediction of something to come.

And nowhere in any of that definition is there "an injunction to make something happen."

Originally posted by twhitehead
And nowhere in any of that definition is there "an injunction to make something happen."

"...including moral teaching by warning, consoling, exhorting,..."

It seems there is real confusion about the difference between prediction and prophecy.

Example of prediction: 'you will deny me three times before cock crow.'
The meaning is not that Peter should or ought do this, but that he will do it.


Example of prophecy: Zechariah wrote: “Behold, your king comes to you, triumphant and victorious. He is humble and riding on an ass, on a colt the foal of an ass.” And for this reason, because he knew of the prophecy, Jesus asks his disciples to procure for him an ass on which to ride into Jerusalem 'in order that prophecy be fulfilled.' That is, Jesus is making it happen in order that people will see this as a sign that something is not merely happening but ought to be because it is the will of God (as revealed by a prophet in olden times).


EDIT: In the first instance, Peter does not deny Jesus because Jesus has predicted this, nor because it is Jesus's will that this should be so. On the contrary, Peter denies Jesus despite having been warned.

In the second instance, Jesus does what he does because of the prophecy, because that is the will of God (that the king enter humbly into Jerusalem).

Originally posted by RJHinds
Obama's help to Jihadists is the building of the Antichrist army on earth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saa-UlPVpYY

If you think the AntiChrist will be Muslim, then you don't understand Revelation at all.

The AntiChrist will proclaim himself to be God and demand worship from everyone, Christian and Muslim alike. Muslims will be persecuted in the Great Tribulation just as the Christians will, as will the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists and anyone who does not worship the Beast.

Originally posted by moonbus
"...including moral teaching by warning, consoling, exhorting,..."

Not the same thing at all.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Not the same thing at all.

"exhort (verb) very strongly encourage or urge someone to do something." Is that not clear enough?

Originally posted by moonbus
It seems there is real confusion about the difference between prediction and prophecy.

Example of prediction: 'you will deny me three times before cock crow.'
The meaning is not that Peter should or ought do this, but that he will do it.


Example of prophecy: Zechariah wrote: “Behold, your king comes to you, triumphant and victorious. H ...[text shortened]... he prophecy, because that is the will of God (that the king enter humbly into Jerusalem).

A prediction can be a prophecy and a prophecy can be a prediction.

Originally posted by RJHinds
A prediction can be a prophecy and a prophecy can be a prediction.

Let's test that dictum.

I predict Hinds will convert to atheism on his death bed.
I prophesize Hinds will one day be devoured by his own smugness.

By Jove, it's true.

Originally posted by RJHinds
A prediction can be a prophecy and a prophecy can be a prediction.

The distinction is still valid and useful, even if you and some others don't think so.

Originally posted by moonbus
"exhort (verb) very strongly encourage or urge someone to do something." Is that not clear enough?

Sorry, but try as you might, you will not manage to shoe horn what you initially claimed into that definition.
I have no problem with you assigning your own meaning or understanding to the word, but claiming that your definition is the standard one is just plain dishonest.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Sorry, but try as you might, you will not manage to shoe horn what you initially claimed into that definition.
I have no problem with you assigning your own meaning or understanding to the word, but claiming that your definition is the standard one is just plain dishonest.

I quoted you from a standard dictionary. What more do you want? "Prophecy" and "prediction" are simply not synonyms. Yes, a pawn can be a lump of wood, and yes a lump of wood can be a pawn; but "lump of wood" and "pawn" are still not interchangeable terms.

Originally posted by Suzianne
If you think the AntiChrist will be Muslim, then you don't understand Revelation at all.

The AntiChrist will proclaim himself to be God and demand worship from everyone, Christian and Muslim alike. Muslims will be persecuted in the Great Tribulation just as the Christians will, as will the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists and anyone who does not worship the Beast.

What if the Beast is the Muslim Caliphate?

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Let's test that dictum.

I predict Hinds will convert to atheism on his death bed.
I prophesize Hinds will one day be devoured by his own smugness.

By Jove, it's true.

There can be false predictions and false prophecies. 😏