Originally posted by FMF
So parents have no right to do FGM, but you WOULD support parents letting their children die?

We are all going to die, they can save the child, and it is still going to die.
If you want to force people to accept your views against their will, then you
will I suppose. It isn't like they are attempting to stop everyone else from
denying that for their kids by force.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i gave an example of a religion refusing food to a child because it was a sin

you were given an example of a religion refusing blood to a child because it was a sin.

you said the state should intervene in one situation and not the other. can you explain why?

The difference was a heart felt belief that they would for their own lives do
the same thing. The other a human sacrifice, I'd try to stop.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
We are all going to die, they can save the child, and it is still going to die.
If you want to force people to accept your views against their will, then you
will I suppose. It isn't like they are attempting to stop everyone else from
denying that for their kids by force.

So someone letting their child die, when it could live, is not a criminal act in your view?

Originally posted by FMF
So someone letting their child die, when it could live, is not a criminal act in your view?

I believe you should do what can to save a life. Criminal acts are defined
by the law not my beliefs or views. If it is not against the law to reject
some treatment you don't want, than it is not against the law. If you want
to say killing a child because the mother doesn't want it is not against the
law then it isn't against the law. *law being man's laws*
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The difference was a heart felt belief that they would for their own lives do
the same thing. The other a human sacrifice, I'd try to stop.
Kelly

so if its heart felt and a parent would do the same to themselves...then the state should allow it?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe you should do what can to save a life. Criminal acts are defined
by the law not my beliefs or views. If it is not against the law to reject
some treatment you don't want, than it is not against the law. If you want
to say killing a child because the mother doesn't want it is not against the
law then it isn't against the law. *law being man's laws*
Kelly

the 'law' is governed by the state. you said earlier that the state should not get involved??

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so if its heart felt and a parent would do the same to themselves...then the state should allow it?

The state is just about to the point that it does not give a rats a$$ what
anyone's heart felt beliefs are. They will tell you want you can and cannot
do. Should the state have that type of power, I assume you agree it is
the right way to go? Free men are free, those without a say at all, are not.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the 'law' is governed by the state. you said earlier that the state should not get involved??

Be clear on your questions I'm answering two of you right now, do not
assume I know what your talking about.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The state is just about to the point that it does not give a rats a$$ what
anyone's heart felt beliefs are. They will tell you want you can and cannot
do. Should the state have that type of power, I assume you agree it is
the right way to go? Free men are free, those without a say at all, are not.
Kelly

"Free men are free, those without a say at all, are not."

we have a 'say' by living in democracies and voting. im sure you agree that state laws are needed and by having state laws does not mean we are not 'free men'. so with this in mind where and when should state law get involved with the protection of a child. im sure you agree that the state should protect children from sexual abuse, because it harms a child. so....

...when should the state protect a child from religious beliefs that could potentially harm a child?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Criminal acts are defined by the law not my beliefs or views. If it is not against the law to reject some treatment you don't want, than it is not against the law.

Do you support the rights of parents to let a physically disabled child (unable to feed itself) die?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so if its heart felt and a parent would do the same to themselves...then the state should allow it?

It is complex, very complex! If anything goes against your conscience, and
it is a heart felt view, that may be something I agree with or disagree with.
If we are free men that have rights, we are free, if we have no say in how
we should live and think, well what does the term "free men" really mean?

I am against anything that would do harm to another, either by action or
inaction. I would talk till I was blue in the face to try and show someone
that it isn't against scripture, but all of that said, it isn't my call. If I make
it my call I'm over riding someone else' freewill.

Freewill is messy, I am not going to like what a lot of other people do or
say, I have to respect their rights to do and say what they will. When we
start lining up against people for their views, than we have moved into
a dangerous place in my opinion. All rights are up for grab.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is complex, very complex! If anything goes against your conscience, and
it is a heart felt view, that may be something I agree with or disagree with.
If we are free men that have rights, we are free, if we have no say in how
we should live and think, well what does the term "free men" really mean?

I am against anything that would do harm to another ...[text shortened]... ws, than we have moved into
a dangerous place in my opinion. All rights are up for grab.
Kelly

should the state protect children from sexual abuse?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
should the state protect children from sexual abuse?

Yes
What is your goal here?
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
should the state protect children from sexual abuse?

Does the state protect children against sexual abuse, I frankly don't think
so. If they really wanted too, keeping an eye on abortion clinics would be
a major concern where under age girls are turning up with child. The money
it seems being generated there is more important than the kids.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes
What is your goal here?
Kelly

Yes

why do you think the state should protect children from sexual abuse?