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Originally posted by wolfgang59Which god are you?
Atheists: Before he snuffs you out for ever and ever ... he allows you ONE question!
Originally posted by sonshipYep, that about sums it up.
1.) Punishment without end is never right.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou have the right to speak for yourself.
I think he was responding to this statement you made:Now if I were you, which I am not, I would find an open field somewhere. And there where one could pour out his heart in private, I would cry out. "God I cannot believe. Help my unbelief."
Clearly you do not get it.
Nobody with a lack of belief would do any such thing.
Originally posted by Rank outsider
Yep, that about sums it up.
The point is that no-one here has ever articulated why it could ever be right, except by a load of waffle or along the lines of 'God can do whatever he goddamn pleases.' Which, even if its true, does not make it right.
Justice (as opposed to punishment) requires proportionality. It is even a Biblical concept. But ap ...[text shortened]... s evil things, I suppose we can't call him hypocritical when he does hypocritical things either.
Yep, that about sums it up.
The point is that no-one here has ever articulated why it could ever be right, except by a load of waffle or along the lines of 'God can do whatever ... Which, even if its true, does not make it right.
'There cannot be eternal suffering," you say. Will there not be eternal sinning among the lost? Is God obligued to stay the endless flow of sin from the lips and acts of the lost? ... I count sin infinite." - Robert Govette
Justice (as opposed to punishment) requires proportionality.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby"God is a gentleman who doesn't force Himself on anyone."
Wolfgang, if I were an atheist, the one question would be: "God, if you're actually a supernatural being, how can human beings possibly have a relationship with you in time and eternity?" Footnote: God is a gentleman who doesn't force Himself on anyone. He respects the decisions of those who reject His grace gift [of salvation and personal ...[text shortened]... rom Him and alone with the "worm that never dies [memory]" as their sole companion for eternity.
Originally posted by wolfgang59"Atheists: Before he snuffs you out for ever and ever ... he allows you ONE question!"
Of course I do. Fantastic! (Wouldn't leprechauns and faeries be
something too!) But the best bit would be god casting bodies into
the eternal lake of fire. A place reserved only for those that believe
in it and threatened others with it. Payback for spiritual bullies.
Atheists he can snuff out (fair do's) but pontificating stuffed
shirts should ...[text shortened]... en.
PS - Atheists: Before he snuffs you out for ever and ever ... he allows you ONE question!
Originally posted by stellspalfieGo back and read it - Luke 1:26-56.
"God is a gentleman who doesn't force Himself on anyone."
try telling that to the 'virgin' mary!
Originally posted by sonshipshe was a child.
Go back and read it - [b]Matthew or Luke.
The virgin Mary said "Let it be to me according to Your word" or something equivalent.
The impression I get is that she was willing.
This was not the utterance of one who had no choice or was a rape victim.
This was the utterance of one whom God knew beforehand was pious, believing, and willin ...[text shortened]... ate in God's will.
Since she found favor with the Lord, God knew that she would be willing.[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyGrampyBobby, If I were god , the one deed I would do - throw you in the
Wolfgang, if I were an atheist, the one question would be: "God, if you're actually a supernatural being, how can human beings possibly have a relationship with you in time and eternity?" Footnote: God is a gentleman who doesn't force Himself on anyone. He respects the decisions of those who reject His grace gift [of salvation and personal ...[text shortened]... rom Him and alone with the "worm that never dies [memory]" as their sole companion for eternity.
Originally posted by sonshipYes, that is the point. It is people like myself that you claimed to 'get' which you clearly do not 'get'.
You have the right to speak for yourself.
Originally posted by stellspalfieShe was old enough to be married.
she was a child.
Originally posted by sonshipshe was a child....would you marry and impregnate a child?
She was old enough to be married.
She was a young woman.
The angel tells her that she has been favored and that she will give birth to a Son of God.
[b]"He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High ..." (v.32)
"But Mary said to the angel, How will this be, since I have not known a man?"
She did not say "Since ...[text shortened]... r human will or forced to conceive.
"May it happen to me according to your word." [/b]
Originally posted by stellspalfieShe was a young women of the marriageable age.
she was a child....would you marry and impregnate a child?
Originally posted by sonshipwhat age do you draw the line?
She was a young women of the marriageable age.
I never heard any objection that Mary the mother of Jesus was a child.
This must be a new scraping of the bottom of the barrel argument from Internet Infidels or something.
Even the Hebrew language experts that object to the prophecy of Isaiah 14 refering to a [b]virgin in the sense of having n ...[text shortened]... ry had to be a child" is an argument I never heard before. And I have heard plenty of arguments.[/b]