Pornography

Originally posted by FMF
In the past, you have claimed to be fairly fluent in Greek. It's odd that this would slip your mind now when deliberately typing out a list of the languages you speak.

Every time I talk to him he seems to speak Greek to me. 😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am reading the experiences of some ex-porn stars and its harrowing.

Can you post the link to what you are reading please?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its nothing less than he deserves for his unwarranted attacks upon my majesty and dignity when i was attempting to establish a serious subject.

So, in your view, a fellow human being deserves to be ridiculed, which Biblical principle are you following there?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So, in your view, a fellow human being deserves to be ridiculed, which Biblical principle are you following there?

For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

Matthew 7:2

Clajust had NO cause to start a personal tirade against me terming me an idiot and attempting to state that I have poor reading comprehension when in fact its excellent. He was treated the same that that he treated me.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

Matthew 7:2

Clajust had NO cause to start a personal tirade against me terming me an idiot and attempting to state that I have poor reading comprehension when in fact its excellent. He was treated the same that that he treated me.

That scripture is not applicable. It's about being judged by God, not ridiculing someone. What happened to 'turn the other cheek'?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That scripture is not applicable. It's about being judged by God, not ridiculing someone. What happened to 'turn the other cheek'?

For you will be treated as you treat others is not about being judged by God, but that ones conduct will be reflected back to us by the way we treat other people. Turn the other cheek, yes, perhaps i failed to do so and should have simply ignored the comments. I am ready to confess.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
this thread is about pornography, its not about masturbation or Jehovahs witnesses and if you have not the decency or the manners to respect that then perhaps this is not the thread for you. I have provided many detailed links to articles, excerpts and studies discussing the subject and i cannot recall a single instance where you have managed to com ...[text shortened]... y you are uninterested in the subject and instead wish to introduce irrelevancies at every turn.

i pretty confident that masturbation is relevant to a discussion about porn.


as for you 'articles' as far as im aware we are all in agreement that there is much wrong with many aspects of porn. we do not need to read a bunch of articles that state the bleeding obvious.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
For you will be treated as you treat others is not about being judged by God, but that ones conduct will be reflected back to us by the way we treat other people. Turn the other cheek, yes, perhaps i failed to do so and should have simply ignored the comments. I am ready to confess.

a husband and wife make a pornographic video for their own private use to watch together and alone when the other is away.


can you point out to me what is 'bad' about this form of pornography?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
a husband and wife make a pornographic video for their own private use to watch together and alone when the other is away.


can you point out to me what is 'bad' about this form of pornography?

cough..cough...ahem!

Originally posted by stellspalfie
a husband and wife make a pornographic video for their own private use to watch together and alone when the other is away.


can you point out to me what is 'bad' about this form of pornography?

I'd argue that that is not pornography. If they were to sell it it would be, but they aren't. In fact I'd go as far as to say that amateur pornography as a whole isn't pornography until people start making money from it or it reaches a mass audience. The Oxford online dictionary gives the definition of pornography as:

Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

However it gives the etymology as:

mid 19th century: from Greek pornographos 'writing about prostitutes', from pornē 'prostitute' + graphein 'write'.

Essentially it is an extension of prostitution and so only becomes pornography when there is a profit motive. So your example of a husband and wife making a video for their own amusement shouldn't be considered as pornography.

Originally posted by DeepThought
I'd argue that that is not pornography. .

The "definition" of a word is a better indication of what it means rather than its etymology.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
The "definition" of a word is a better indication of what it means rather than its etymology.

Not really, you see all dictionary definitions have the problem that they are trying to define a word in terms of other words, but the meaning they are trying to convey is contained in the word they are defining. The other words tend to be inadequate. What the word connotes is more important and so the it's the profit motive that separates pornography from making recordings of one's passionate moments.

Originally posted by DeepThought
...All dictionary definitions have the problem that they are trying to define a word in terms of other words, but the meaning they are trying to convey is contained in the word they are defining. The other words tend to be inadequate. What the word connotes is more important and so the it's the profit motive that separates pornography from making recordings of one's passionate moments.

What it connotes to you is perhaps different to what it connotes to someone else, that's why actual definitions being given some standing in discussions with people whose perceptions are different from yours is useful.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Not really, you see all dictionary definitions have the problem that they are trying to define a word in terms of other words, but the meaning they are trying to convey is contained in the word they are defining. The other words tend to be inadequate. What the word connotes is more important and so the it's the profit motive that separates pornography from making recordings of one's passionate moments.

You quoted a definition that did not include "profit".
Why would a definition omit that if the word implied it?

Would you like to redefine sinister as being left-handed?
Would you like to redefine calculus as using pebbles for arithmetic?

Etymology is interesting but it surely does not help define what a word's current meaning is!

Originally posted by DeepThought
I'd argue that that is not pornography. If they were to sell it it would be, but they aren't. In fact I'd go as far as to say that amateur pornography as a whole isn't pornography until people start making money from it or it reaches a mass audience. The Oxford online dictionary gives the definition of pornography as:[quote]Printed or visual material ...[text shortened]... husband and wife making a video for their own amusement shouldn't be considered as pornography.

you could argue....but you would be wrong.