16 Sep 14
Originally posted by whodeyJust think about that for one moment, really, just think it through...
Name one person who thinks they are going to hell.
If you believe in hell and eternal suffering you presumably believe in god and will find accepting salvation easy.
If you do not believe in hell because you do not believe in god (period) you are therefore not likely to start believing in god because some theist rams eternal suffering down your throat.
If you (like me) are a Christian who does not believe in eternal suffering, and believing so doesn't affect my salvation, then what's the point of ramming it down my throat.
Preaching this doctrine of death is driven from pride and an inner desire to see the unrighteousness punished. It's a sleight on the nature of god and repellent to Christians and non Christians alike. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for propagating it.
Originally posted by divegeesterThe apostle Paul wrote:
Just think about that for one moment, really, just think it through...
If you believe in hell and eternal suffering you presumably believe in god and will find accepting salvation easy.
If you do not believe in hell because you do not believe in god (period) you are therefore not likely to start believing in god because some theist rams eternal suf ...[text shortened]... Christians and non Christians alike. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for propagating it.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(Romans 1:16 KJV)
And Jesus Christ taught,
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Matthew 25:46 KJV)
Jesus also taught this about hell:
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(Matthew 10:28 KJV)
Perhaps this means that there are degrees of suffering. Some will be punished lightly and then destroyed and annihilated, while others like Satan and the demons will be punished with everlasting torment. Would that be more acceptable to you?
21 Sep 14
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat is "acceptable to me" is not being preached at about a version of God who has designed a place of eternal torture for those who rejected him.
The apostle Paul wrote:For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(Romans 1:16 KJV)
And Jesus Christ taught,And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(M ...[text shortened]... and the demons will be punished with everlasting torment. Would that be more acceptable to you?
Being preached this by you, a proven liar and chess cheat is probably the single most depressing thing I can read on these boards.
23 Sep 14
Originally posted by whodeyThere is a hell, and you don't want to go there.
For those who belittle those who believe that a hell exists, (in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton), what difference does it make? So if there is no hell, then who cares about false doctrine? In fact, who cares about the truth if we are all going to the same place anyway?
For those Christians that don't believe in a hell, what good is the cross? What good is the gospel?
26 Sep 14
Originally posted by divegeesterTake it up with the authors of the Bible, not whodey.
Just think about that for one moment, really, just think it through...
If you believe in hell and eternal suffering you presumably believe in god and will find accepting salvation easy.
If you do not believe in hell because you do not believe in god (period) you are therefore not likely to start believing in god because some theist rams eternal suf ...[text shortened]... Christians and non Christians alike. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for propagating it.
What is your thoughts on Revelation, for example, talking about eternal fire and brimstone?
27 Sep 14
Originally posted by whodeyWhy is it always "fire and brimstone" and not "fire and sulphur"?
Take it up with the authors of the Bible, not whodey.
What is your thoughts on Revelation, for example, talking about eternal fire and brimstone?
Is there any modern bible that translates it as sulphur?
27 Sep 14
Originally posted by whodeyThat's a nice easy cop out for your isn't it; believe something horrendous about god and when questioned on it put your fingers in your ears and sing la-la-la.
Take it up with the authors of the Bible, not whodey.
What is your thoughts on Revelation, for example, talking about eternal fire and brimstone?
27 Sep 14
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Yes there are many. New International Version, New Living Translation, English Standard Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible, International Standard Version, The Way The Living Bible, and World English Bible are examples of complete translations that use the word "sulfer" instead of brimstone.
Why is it always "fire and brimstone" and not "fire and sulphur"?
Is there any modern bible that translates it as sulphur?
And there are also some New Testament only versions, such as Weymouth New Testament and The New Testament in Modern English.
However, I like the sound of brimstone better that sulfur, don't you?