10 Jun 16
Originally posted by FreakyKBHClog Man has more gravitas. He could have little catchphrases:
So Cap't Evo or Sgt. Joe "Can o' Coke" Flatter?
Which one do you think has more panache and/or public appeal?
"The Earth ain't round man."
"Don't even get me started on the Kennedy assassination!"
"Dude, I ain't no loon!!!"
"Wibble wobble, wibble wobble."
10 Jun 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNow the only question: leather, plastic or wood?
Clog Man has more gravitas. He could have little catchphrases:
"The Earth ain't round man."
"Don't even get me started on the Kennedy assassination!"
"Dude, I ain't no loon!!!"
"Wibble wobble, wibble wobble."
12 Jun 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeSo if the majority decided that it was good to torture babies for fun, then it would be ok with you?
The moral law giver is not God, it's the majority consensus.
The majority believe torturing babies is wrong. Belief or disbelief in God doesn't (and shouldn't) come into it. Do you, for example, require God to tell you that killing babies is wrong before forming an opinion on it? Without God, would you be undecided on the issue of baby killing?!
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIn a social setting, moral norms and codes of conduct are set by the majority. Right or wrong judgements on those moral norms doesn't change the fact that morality is of human origin and that in the majority of cases those moral norms are universally accepted; such as 'murder is wrong' etc. (And it is no coincidence that such moral norms are reflected in religious dogma, which are also grounded in human origin).
So you have never heard of majority ethnic groups deciding to wipe out minority ethnic groups? It's called genocide dude.
12 Jun 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeSo do you think it is objectively wrong to torture babies for fun?
In a social setting, moral norms and codes of conduct are set by the majority. Right or wrong judgements on those moral norms doesn't change the fact that morality is of human origin and that in the majority of cases those moral norms are universally accepted; such as 'murder is wrong' etc. (And it is no coincidence that such moral norms are reflected in religious dogma, which are also grounded in human origin).
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeObjective in the sense that right and wrong exist outside of ourselves. In other words right is right because there truly is a standard of behavior that exists whether or not a person believes that standard to be right. It is the same for everyone at all times and in all places.
Why have you deployed the world 'objectively'? Please clarify your intent.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkRight or wrong exists because of us. How could it exist outside of ourselves?
Objective in the sense that right and wrong exist outside of ourselves. In other words right is right because there truly is a standard of behavior that exists whether or not a person believes that standard to be right. It is the same for everyone at all times and in all places.
Humans decide what is morally acceptable. (And this moral acceptability may very well change over time). And this doesn't mean, as humans, we each have a unique morality. For society to work, the majority, by and large, share the same moral outlook. (Murder is wrong etc).