11 Sep 16
Originally posted by Rajk999No, you never "accuse", you "assume".
My opening post is about doctrine and beliefs. That is all I ever speak of. I never accuse anyone of sin. In order to derail the thread people ask me about my sin. That is irrelevant as is anyones elses sin for that matter.
And doctrine and beliefs is NOT "all you ever speak of". You spend a remarkable amount of time in this forum explaining in great detail why select others in this forum are "condemned", all because of what you assume about them. And the main sin of some people here seems to be mainly simply disagreeing with you.
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Sorry, I can't get past the conflict that you make about others when you have said you do the same thing. If you are not willing to help me see the difference (you vs. Them), then there is no sense in discussing further. I do appreciate your comments however, and you do give me things to think about, and that is a good thing.
My opening post is about doctrine and beliefs. That is all I ever speak of. I never accuse anyone of sin. In order to derail the thread people ask me about my sin. That is irrelevant as is anyones elses sin for that matter.
If you want to discuss the topic then personalities are not to be part of it.
Now I quoted to you a passage in the Bible about pas ...[text shortened]... Are you able to proceed without asking me about myself. If yes then comment on the post I made.
Thanks
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by FMFIn a nutshell, sin will be judged, and whether we picked up his free gift to us and all man kind. Perhaps the question you should ask is, will God see the atonement for our sins, the only atonement that is acceptable to him for the covering of our sins... that being Jesus Christ who died in our place for our sins.
leunammi and Suzianne (and, for all intents and purposes, KellyJay and sonship too) have dodged this question. divegeester has answered it and Rajk999's answer is known. Fetchmyjunk, what about you? Here it is...
When you face "the righteous judgment of Jesus Christ", what will be judged exactly? Your belief/faith? Or will you be judged on the sincerity and s ...[text shortened]... ive your life with as little sin as you possibly can and to try to do what Jesus told you to do?
John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:16-21 KJV
http://bible.com/1/jhn.3.16-21.KJV
Originally posted by SuzianneWell, it's a question about the beliefs of Christians regarding "judgment", and I am not a Christian, Suzianne. What is it that you think will be judged exactly when you face what you and your fellow Christians see as "the righteous judgment of Jesus Christ"?
Then why don't YOU answer the question? Hmmmm?
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by leunammiYou are a weak-minded person.
Sorry, I can't get past the conflict that you make about others when you have said you do the same thing. If you are not willing to help me see the difference (you vs. Them), then there is no sense in discussing further. I do appreciate your comments however, and you do give me things to think about, and that is a good thing.
Thanks
Good luck.
Originally posted by leunammiThanks for your response. So, a believer in Christ is not "saved" if he or she is a "sinner" and is not repentant, and a believer in Christ will be "saved" if he or she is a "sinner" who is repentant; have I understood that correctly? You believe the judgment will focus on atonement.
In a nutshell, sin will be judged, and whether we picked up his free gift to us and all man kind. Perhaps the question you should ask is, will God see the atonement for our sins, the only atonement that is acceptable to him for the covering of our sins... that being Jesus Christ who died in our place for our sins.
What do you make of the beliefs of Christians who believe that they are already "saved" if they are believers in Christ and, indeed, that they are already "saved" because they are believers in Christ, regardless of their "sins", on account of those "sins" already being forgiven by Christ by way of his sacrifice for humanity?
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by FMFI believe judgement the will focus on sin and how we have dealt with it in our life.
Thanks for your response. So, a believer in Christ is not "saved" if he or she is a "sinner" and is not repentant, and a believer in Christ will be "saved" if he or she is a "sinner" who is repentant; have I understood that correctly? You believe the judgment will focus on atonement.
What do you make of the beliefs of Christians who believe that they are alr ...[text shortened]... n account of those "sins" already being forgiven by Christ by way of his sacrifice for humanity?
I believe Jesus is the key and I would defer to John 3:16-21 for the answer to your questions. If other Christians here believe this then I would believe as they do.
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by leunammiInteresting last sentence. Pack mentality.
I believe judgement the will focus on sin and how we have dealt with it in our life.
I believe Jesus is the key and I would defer to John 3:16-21 for the answer to your questions. If other Christians here believe this then I would believe as they do.
Cannot stand like a man on your own two feet?
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by leunammiSo, do you believe that those Christians who believe they are already "saved" because of [1] their belief in Christ ~ and because [2] their "sins" have already been forgiven by Christ's sacrifice ~ are mistaken?
I believe judgement the will focus on sin and how we have dealt with it in our life.
I believe Jesus is the key and I would defer to John 3:16-21 for the answer to your questions. If other Christians here believe this then I would believe as they do.
11 Sep 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Not all, I don't need to understand anything about you in order to have a conversation about the Bible. However if you choose to deflect and redirect to a direct question, especially with regards to something you had made a comment about, is there any point in continuing? I don't think so, do you?
You need to understand some irrelevant foolishness about me and others before you discuss the Bible references?
Are you afraid of what you might learn ... the truth?
You made comments about others and about yourself, there is conflict in that and how you apply scripture. Just asking why one is different from the other, but then again... I am weak minded, is that the term you used?
Learning? Truth? Absolutely! That is what I am after, thus the questions. Want to help a brother out?