Originally posted by Duchess64
"State handouts for all? Europe set to pilot universal basic incomes."
--Philip Oltermann (2 June 2016)
"A recent poll by Dalia research found that 68% of people across all
EU member states said they definitely or probably would vote for ...[text shortened]... some form be considered in addition
to or as a replacement of some existing welfare programmes?
It's not going to be the last that's heard of a UBI.
At some point in the not too distant, probably when self driving cars/trucks/etc take off,
where the numbers of people made permanently structurally unemployed and unemployable
will grow so large that the alternatives are basically implement a UBI or your economy and
civilisation completely collapse. [due to increasing automation of jobs]
Estimates currently for the proportion of jobs readily automated [next few decades] go between
40~60%... The great depression caused a mere 25% unemployment in the states.
Vox has done some well written articles on a UBI that are worth reading for anyone interested.
The tl:dr version is the first demonstrates that a UBI is absolutely possible to affordably implement
[even if there is no chance at all of getting the idea past the republican party] and would absolutely
end poverty if implemented at an affordable level sufficient to do so.
The second is dealing with the bigger question to which the answer is unknown, which is whether
people can be respected [and respect themselves] if they are living on just the UBI and are not working.
The evidence and examples given suggest strongly to me that they can, but it's not a certainty.
IF people can live happily on a UBI then its worth implementing, if not, the article argues that we would
be better off trying to get everyone [working age] to work. Although as I said before, I don't believe that
is going to be an option for much longer.
I suspect that this will be the last that's heard of the notion of a universal
basic income (UBI), though UBI has some major basic problems
(such as variance in housing costs).
That's not a big problem. Firstly, if you are living somewhere expensive, it is so because lots of people
want to live there [vs number of residences available] which typically means that there are lots of high
paying jobs available that are attracting people [especially true of cities]. This means that such people
are likely to be among the employed in which case [unless they are highly paid] the UBI simply makes
them better off and helps with the rent along with everything else.
Secondly, it's pretty trivial to have a regional variation to compensate for differing living costs.
The UK's university loan scheme has higher loans for London than it does for cheaper areas for precisely
Thirdly, it's supposed to be a 'basic' income, which you can just about live off of, but which you would want
to supplement by working.... or by sharing... A flat unaffordable to one, may be easily affordable to two or three
on a UBI. Which is incidentally more efficient [more ecological] as well as more social. Everyone living alone
[those not in families] is not great for a social species.