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    Sometimes backfires, especially if you don't recognize your opponent is on to it.
    Game 5134385😀
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    29 Jun '08 15:28
    Originally posted by hamltnblue
    Sometimes backfires, especially if you don't recognize your opponent is on to it.
    Game 5134385😀
    That's not the Fried Liver. I know it as the "Oh my gosh" opening, because Black is supposed to play 3. ... Nxd4 and then recall with horror and utter "Oh my gosh" (this is mostly a trick for kids under the age of ten) as they realise they have dropped a pawn.

    By the way, you missed the pretty mate at the end - 8. ... Nf3#.
  3. e4
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    29 Jun '08 16:171 edit
    It's correct name is Blackburne's Shilling Gambit.

    Blackburne used to win shilling games with in Simpson's in
    mid 1800's.

    I like 'Oh my Gosh!' though.

    It's not a kids opening. Adults in chess leagues all over the
    world fall into it. Two recorded games in the Edinburgh league
    last season.

    Black breaks all the rules.

    Leaves pawn hanging, moves piece twice in opening and brings out Queen too early.

    After 4...Qg4 Black is on top.

    There is no mate with 8..Nf3+.
    You are thinking of the main line where White saves the Rook.

    5.Nxf7 Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3 mate.

    (8....Nf3+ 9.Kf1 Nxd7+ 10 Ke1 Nf3+ is an odd perpetual.)

    So instead of 4.Nxe5 what should White play?

    4.Bxf7+ and 5. Nxe5+ two pawns and an uncastled King looks
    interesting.

    Suspect 4.Nxd4 will be the choice of Engines (4.c3?! perhaps).
  4. Sigulda, Latvia
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    29 Jun '08 17:15
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    There is no mate with 8..Nf3+.
    You are thinking of the main line where White saves the Rook.

    5.Nxf7 Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3 mate.
    What? 8. ... Nf3# is a mate. The king is checked and 9. Bxf3 is impossible because the bishop is pinned. Or am I missing something? It's the almost the same as the main except with a waste of move by 6. ... Qxh1 7. Bf1.
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    9.Kf1
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    29 Jun '08 17:46
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    There is no mate with 8..Nf3+.
    You are thinking of the main line where White saves the Rook.

    5.Nxf7 Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3 mate.
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    Sorry, my mistake. I was indeed thinking of the "main line".
  7. Sigulda, Latvia
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    29 Jun '08 17:51
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Sorry, my mistake. I was indeed thinking of the "main line".
    Don't worry, I also made the mistake.
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    29 Jun '08 17:571 edit
    Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking of fried liver from White's perspective. I noted that he was going for the classic Knight /bishop intersect at f7. I thought that was what fried liver was. Anyhow I've been spanked by it enough times to make me read on a counter, hoping that white would be concentrated on the attack and overlook his oops.
  9. Sigulda, Latvia
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    29 Jun '08 18:49
    Originally posted by hamltnblue
    Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking of fried liver from White's perspective. I noted that he was going for the classic Knight /bishop intersect at f7. I thought that was what fried liver was. Anyhow I've been spanked by it enough times to make me read on a counter, hoping that white would be concentrated on the attack and overlook his oops.
    1. e4 45 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 is The Fried Liver Attack.
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    29 Jun '08 20:481 edit
    Originally posted by hamltnblue
    Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking of fried liver from White's perspective. I noted that he was going for the classic Knight /bishop intersect at f7. I thought that was what fried liver was. Anyhow I've been spanked by it enough times to make me read on a counter, hoping that white would be concentrated on the attack and overlook his oops.
    The Fried Liver line is this:

    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5? 6.Nxf7

    I am not convinced it is a forced win for White, though I do have a 100% record with it in serious games. The most common continuation I meet is this: 6. ... Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke8? 8.Bxd5 and White is winning easily. However Black may survive after 7. ... Ke6
  11. Standard memberHurricaneConway125
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    Oh the pain, it was one of my clan members who fell for it.... and in a clan game 🙁
  12. Standard membersh76
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    30 Jun '08 15:311 edit
    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 is the line I've played a few times on blitz. I've won some and lost some but it always made for a fun game.

    I stopped playing 4.Ng5 though, after I learned the hard way a few times that 4... d5 5.exd5 Na5 6 Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Ba4 leads to some really strong attacking chances for black down the middle.

    In any case, recently I've been playing 3. Bb5 instead of Bc4 anyway, so it's basically a moot point.
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    1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nd4 4 c3 seems to give White a nice game, IMO.
  15. Standard memberhunterknox
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    30 Jun '08 23:17
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nd4 4 c3 seems to give White a nice game, IMO.
    Or 4. 0-0, leaving white up a few tempi. I did try the Blackburne Shilling Gambit a few times at my chess club, with no takers. If white can see past f7 it's more trouble than it's worth.

    I'd like to know if Blackburne actually played it. It's not like he couldn't whip the average simul fodder quickly in a more conventional opening, and probably whilst drunk and blindfolded too.
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