Originally posted by Shallow BluePrecisely.
Not behind your consultation, maybe. Behind the original suggestion? You better believe there is.
And anyone with a brain can figure out that once the slope is determined for "thumbs up" votes, the "thumbs down" votes will follow automatically, without any "consultation". And once the fallout starts coming down, only the social engineers out there who want the thumbs removed (so they can be free to post their derision of anybody they don't like without reprisal) and the anarchists who only want controversy, chaos and argument will have their way. And then the exodus will begin.
Originally posted by SuzianneVisible thumbs down would be a bummer for you, right? 😉
Precisely.
And anyone with a brain can figure out that once the slope is determined for "thumbs up" votes, the "thumbs down" votes will follow automatically, without any "consultation". And once the fallout starts coming down, only the social engineers out there who want the thumbs removed (so they can be free to post their derision of anybody they don' ...[text shortened]... only want controversy, chaos and argument will have their way. And then the exodus will begin.
Originally posted by SuzianneSorry to be dumb - but what do you mean by ' ... once the slope is determined for "thumbs up" votes .. '?
Precisely.
And anyone with a brain can figure out that once the slope is determined for "thumbs up" votes, the "thumbs down" votes will follow automatically, without any "consultation". And once the fallout starts coming down, only the social engineers out there who want the thumbs removed (so they can be free to post their derision of anybody they don' ...[text shortened]... only want controversy, chaos and argument will have their way. And then the exodus will begin.
Do you simply mean the vote?
I presumed that we're voting on exposing who thumbed which post - both up and down. Doesn't make sense to do one without the other.
As I see it, if Russ makes it so that hovering over the thumb icons (I'd be interested to hear how the implementation will actually work) shows a list of thumbers, then you'd probably deter the serial thumbs up (or down) monkeys who simply up or down thumb a whole thread.
When I hit the thumb icons it tends to be because I rate what's been said - it's funny or thought provoking or interesting or "worthy" (whatever that means). I tend to not hit the thumbs down - if you're going to slag someone off, then at least do it openly - i.e post and say so. I may do it more if the fact that I[ was known to be the one critical of the post in question - less effort than composing a post.
I can see that people may have problems with the openness of this, but if you're ashamed of your thumbing activity then maybe you shouldn't be thumbing - no one says you have to.
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by orangutanFrom the OP:
Sorry to be dumb - but what do you mean by ' ... once the slope is determined for "thumbs up" votes .. '?
Do you simply mean the vote?
I presumed that we're voting on exposing who thumbed which post - both up and down. Doesn't make sense to do one without the other.
As I see it, if Russ makes it so that hovering over the thumb icons (I'd be in ...[text shortened]... shamed of your thumbing activity then maybe you shouldn't be thumbing - no one says you have to.
"A consultation vote is running now regarding identifiable likes/recommendations on forums posts in the future."
It says "likes/recommendations". It doesn't say "likes/dislikes". I'm guessing the first to get a tally of voters would be the "likes/recs" (as per the OP), followed by the "dislikes" later, but probably only if they can shove the agreement for the "likes" past us.
And I'm still saying that the person who wants the votes known is the same person who wants the votes eliminated. The end result will be the same. It's simply a play to get the sheer number of votes down.
I still say that all you people who want "transparency" in the thumb votes should have no problem with Russ outing the person whose idea this originally was. Because this is wholly their agenda. Frankly, I'm surprised such an obvious move made it this far to reality.
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by Suzianneposted by Suzianne It says "likes/recommendations". It doesn't say "likes/dislikes".
From the OP:
"A consultation vote is running now regarding identifiable likes/recommendations on forums posts in the future."
It says "likes/recommendations". It doesn't say "likes/dislikes". I'm guessing the first to get a tally of voters would be the "likes/recs" (as per the OP), followed by the "dislikes" later, but probably only if they can shov ...[text shortened]... s wholly their agenda. Frankly, I'm surprised such an obvious move made it this far to reality.
Ah - a subtlety I hadn't noticed from the OP.
I think that showing the names behind one (thumbs up) would be a bit weird without showing the names behind the other (thumbs down) - just my opinion.
posted by Suzianne And I'm still saying that the person who wants the votes known is the same person who wants the votes eliminated. The end result will be the same. It's simply a play to get the sheer number of votes down.
This I don't understand. Sorry - I'm not being deliberately obtuse - by "votes" here you're meaning the thumb count as opposed to [vid]27[/vid] - and "the person" is who?
I found a reference in this form from Swiss Gambit back in 2012 (I think). I'm pretty sure other people have in the time since recs were replaced by thumbs suggested the same thing.
I don't get why you think that there's some agenda being worked here. This hasn't been pushed recently (or have I missed something), Russ would appear to be picking up on something that has come up a few times in separate places and has found a way to do what was asked. He's putting it to the vote as he can see it's a divisive issue.
To be honest - the thumb up / down thing as it stands has quite a bit of abuse. How many times have you seen a post that's been thumbed up or down for absolutely no apparent reason? It bugs me when someone says something completely uncontentious and they get a thumb down for it.
Knowing who was doing the ups and downs would allow everyone to make a judgement about the value of those ups and downs.
If nothing else - it's been the same old same old round here since 2011 (that's when thumbs replaced recs). A change may enliven things around here.
Maybe Russ could clarify -
What will the reveal look like? Is it going to be a list always in view - or a roll-over - how's it going to look?
It is both Ups and Downs or just the ups?
Will there be an anonymous option? i.e. I like / dislike a post could I thumb anonymously and have it still count - or would a sock-puppet account be required for this?
Is this a sub / non-sub thing (are non-sub scum allows to thumb)?
I would also like to know who suggested this "feature". Because after all, if we're going to have all this "transparency" on the site, I think it's fully reasonable to be transparent about whose idea this was.
And then maybe after that, we can have further "transparency" regarding the names of moderators. Because hey, if we users have to be faced with the "transparency police" knowing our every move, then certainly the one who made this happen and the moderators should all be known as well.
Bad idea, you say? I couldn't agree more. And allowing all to see the thumb votes is a bad idea too.
18 Oct 15
Originally posted by SuzianneHere's a thought: some things can be done by degrees. Everything is not a slippery slope.
I would also like to know who suggested this "feature". Because after all, if we're going to have all this "transparency" on the site, I think it's fully reasonable to be transparent about whose idea this was.
And then maybe after that, we can have further "transparency" regarding the names of moderators. Because hey, if we users have to be faced with ...[text shortened]... ea, you say? I couldn't agree more. And allowing all to see the thumb votes is a bad idea too.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemFrom Subject Received Delete
Can 18 people thumb this up so I know what that feels like? 😵
Here is what it looks like
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you will notice that among the insipid and inane drivel of 'someone has recommended your forum post' (who cares?) there is import information in the form of a clan challenge.
20 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm with you on that one. It's overkill to get a message each time you get a rec.
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Subscriber Chess Host 3 people have recommende ...[text shortened]... ended your forum post' (who cares?) there is import information in the form of a clan challenge.