Sandbagging and Collusion

Originally posted by carystover
When I was playing for Metallica, no one ever ordered me to resign games. I played every game till I felt there was no hope to win no matter how many games had already been won in the challenge.

and now look at you, an embittered personal wreck whining like a mamas boy over every perceived injurious sentiment.

Originally posted by padger
The only outcome from an ELO clan system is a form of a ladder
Where to play anyone beneath your clans rating is a no no
You have already said you would not play someone from beneath your clans rating
You will there fore end up with like playing like with no change
Hence STAGNATION

spot on just another reason the ELO will not improve the clan league
1] will not stop collusion
2] will make challenges much more complicated, you will have to take into account players ratings and clan ratings
3] clans will not play clans lower than them
4] no yearly winner

the old system was okay until collusion ruined it, just improve it by
1] still a yearly winner
2] once a clan has lost 50 net points to a clan they cant play each other again until the next year, cheats will still get 50 easy points but no the 700 they got last year
3] make every game count, 10 v 10 winner getrs 20 points plus 1 point for every game won, losing team gets 1 point for every game won
4] no more draws if its equal board one result determines the winner if tied then board two etc, if its a draw on all boards then no clan gets any points.
5] a player cant change their name, neither should a clan, pick a name and it stays forever
6] stick to previous punishments, roll back and clan suspensions easy riders anti metallica breaking bad and arrow must be punished in order to restore integrity and act as a warning to others


see easily fixed no hovercrafts required.

lets play chess [fairly]

Originally posted by roma45
spot on just another reason the ELO will not improve the clan league
1] will not stop collusion
2] will make challenges much more complicated, you will have to take into account players ratings and clan ratings
3] clans will not play clans lower than them
4] no yearly winner

the old system was okay until collusion ruined it, just improve it by
1] sti ...[text shortened]... s a warning to others


see easily fixed no hovercrafts required.

lets play chess [fairly]

Yeah sounds pretty reasonable except for point 2

Carrobie and his gang after having raped 50 points off his feeder clans will have them just open other new clans that he can rape more points from

I think there also has to be a negative aspect to the points system otherwise the winner will just be the clan that plays the most challenges. The more challenges played whether win or lose the points roll in.

Double points for the winning clan minus the games lost. The loser gets a minus of the games difference. E.g. if a clan loses 11-9 in a 10 man challenge the winners get 11 ( 20 minus 9), the losers get minus (9-11).

Originally posted by radioactive69
Yeah sounds pretty reasonable except for point 2

Carrobie and his gang after having raped 50 points off his feeder clans will have them just open other new clans that he can rape more points from

I think there also has to be a negative aspect to the points system otherwise the winner will just be the clan that plays the most challenges. The more ...[text shortened]... loses 11-9 in a 10 man challenge the winners get 11 ( 20 minus 9), the losers get minus (9-11).

Addendum to last post

the losers get minus 2 points (9-11).

Originally posted by padger
The only outcome from an ELO clan system is a form of a ladder
Where to play anyone beneath your clans rating is a no no
You have already said you would not play someone from beneath your clans rating
You will there fore end up with like playing like with no change
Hence STAGNATION

Hello Robbie you haven't responded to this one yet
Come on give me a reason that ELO will not end in STAGNATION

Originally posted by shortcircuit
OK Mr. Genius. I am going to slightly overstep my bounds here because you have your head about 4 feet up your backside on this one.

With respect to Zumdahl's "TIME OUT" losses, why don't you do some more research on the topic.
In your usual slipshod manner, you failed to notice a couple of things, and you selectively pulled his games.

First of al ...[text shortened]... g and we are
the living proof.

Go employ your analysis elsewhere, because you suck at this!!

Sorry. I said there might be an innocent explanation, and so there is. I wish Zumdahl a happy marriage.

Originally posted by roma45
spot on just another reason the ELO will not improve the clan league
1] will not stop collusion
2] will make challenges much more complicated, you will have to take into account players ratings and clan ratings
3] clans will not play clans lower than them
4] no yearly winner

the old system was okay until collusion ruined it, just improve it by
1] sti ...[text shortened]... s a warning to others


see easily fixed no hovercrafts required.

lets play chess [fairly]

that's just about the lamest post I ever read.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that's just about the lamest post I ever read.

Try reading your own drivel

Originally posted by carystover
When I was playing for Metallica, no one ever ordered me to resign games. ...

It's not about whether anyone is ordered to throw games. No one orders McT to throw games either. It's about the effect thrown games have on the system. The motive is irrelevant, whether anyone orders it is irrelevant.

Originally posted by moonbus
It's not about whether anyone is ordered to throw games. No one orders McT to throw games either. It's about the effect thrown games have on the system. The motive is irrelevant, whether anyone orders it is irrelevant.

Not quite
If a clan leader is telling one of their clan members to do anything it is against the rules

Originally posted by padger
Not quite
If a clan leader is telling one of their clan members to do anything it is against the rules

What rules? There is no rule against resigning games. There is no rule against collusion. There is no rule against untimely time outs. There is no rule against clan captains telling their players what to do or not do; neither is there a rule that clan members have to obey their captains. There is no rule against a player belonging to more than one clan. Hadn't you heard? Apart from the rule that one is not allowed to have multiple RHP accounts, this is a rule-free zone!

Oh, PS, it is really bad form to publish PMs. Not a rule, more of a politeness guideline.

Originally posted by padger
Hello Robbie you haven't responded to this one yet
Come on give me a reason that ELO will not end in STAGNATION

stagnation??? what are you talking about stagnation????

Originally posted by moonbus
It's not about whether anyone is ordered to throw games. No one orders McT to throw games either. It's about the effect thrown games have on the system. The motive is irrelevant, whether anyone orders it is irrelevant.

Er how do you know mctayto is not ordered to throw games?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
stagnation??? what are you talking about stagnation????

How daft are you

Trick question we all know you are a cheating idiot

Originally posted by roma45
How daft are you

Trick question we all know you are a cheating idiot

yawn