Originally posted by Rajk999
This passage:
Jesus said to him, Have I been so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Phillip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how is it that you say, Show us the Father? (John 14:8,9)
.. cannot be interpreted to mean that God and Christ are not separate and distinct entities, because the Bible is even clearer that you CANNOT ...[text shortened]... ndments and the sons of God follow Christ's commandments and therefore they indirectly know God.
This passage:
Jesus said to him, Have I been so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Phillip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how is it that you say, Show us the Father? (John 14:8,9)
.. cannot be interpreted to mean that God and Christ are not separate and distinct entities, because the Bible is even clearer that you CANNOT SEE GOD
It was used by me and others to demonstrate that God and Christ are distinct but not separate.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Once again, demonstrating that God and Christ are distinct but not separate.
and again
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time.
It was very bold for John to write this because God appeared to Abraham, Jacob, Isaiah, in the Old Testament. Now the Apostle John says in effect that these seeings don't count as seeing God as manifested in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Jesus has defined and declared God to the extent that compared to Him -
No man has ever seen God.
I think this too establishes that God and Christ are not separate. In the Trinity there is an unfathomable harmony of unity and diversity.
Christ in speaking to Philip about knowing the will of God because he has seen Christ and he knows Christ. Those who know Christ are aware of Christ commandments and the sons of God follow Christ's commandments and therefore they indirectly know God.
Both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament following God's commandments was primarily and first a matter of loving God. Trying to follow God's commandments without coming to God to be empowered by His very presence was futile.
This principle does not change ever. Whether the law of Moses or the commandments of Jesus Christ one must first love God.
Would you like to arrange a distinct thread to discuss this matter by itself ?
If not the unity and diversity of the Three of the Trinity is unspeakably perfect. And on either side there are the dangers of extremes.
Taking in all of the utterance of the word of God without prejudice we should see that each lives in the other so that there is no separation of the Father - Son - Holy Spirit.
"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe into God, believe also into Me." (John 14:1)
But I agree with the basic title of your thread if you mean that this revelation to comprehend is not simple.