Spirituality
19 Oct 16
Originally posted by bob58Why does a loving God permit pain at all?
Several reason's why eternal torment seems hard to believe.
1. Burns cause terrible pain. Could a loving god subject one of his creations to this forever? It would seem that even the worst person would eventually paid the price for his sins.
2. Assuming you make it and a loved one does not, could you truly happy knowing they were in this eternal tormen ...[text shortened]... eemed wouldn't a merciful god simply eliminate that person's spirit rather than eternal torture?
Shouldn't that be the question?
Originally posted by KellyJayAs I have explained before, I am an atheist due to not being convinced of God's existence. Word's like 'deny' are irrelevant in this context and to be honest rather annoying. It implies I am putting my hands over my ears and eyes and refusing to believe something that is evident. - God to me is not evident. That is why I am an atheist. If his existence was evident, why would I deny it?
So you think God who you deny is real wouldn't punish eternity eternal beings. The belief about what men would do does not really matter since if true only what God would do matters.
If God exists (and I'd be overjoyed if He did) I do not believe for one second that an all powerful and all loving God would want any of His creation to suffer for all eternity in a lake of fire. - I'd go further and say that holding to such a believe is to completely misunderstand God and takes you further away from Him than someone who 'denies' His very existence.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeBiblically speaking, if God wanted that, then why did he send Christ to die for our sins?
As I have explained before, I am an atheist due to not being convinced of God's existence. Word's like 'deny' are irrelevant in this context and to be honest rather annoying. It implies I am putting my hands over my ears and eyes and refusing to believe something that is evident. - God to me is not evident. That is why I am an atheist. If his exist ...[text shortened]... understand God and takes you further away from Him than someone who 'denies' His very existence.
And if there is no hell, why did God send Christ to die for our sins?
19 Oct 16
Originally posted by KellyJayYou enjoy making an a$$ of yourself ...😀
Revelation 19:20
English Standard Version
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
Revelation 20:10
English Standard Versi ...[text shortened]... day and night forever
and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?
19 Oct 16
Originally posted by whodey'Hell' is separation from God. (Not fire and brimstone). If God did indeed send his son, then He did so to spare mankind from that fate.
Biblically speaking, if God wanted that, then why did he send Christ to die for our sins?
And if there is no hell, why did God send Christ to die for our sins?
Feel free to ask other questions.
19 Oct 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI mean no disrespect to you, but if I were to discuss the Book of Mormon nothing in it would I consider true. I would think the same if I were discussing the Lord of the Rings.
As I have explained before, I am an atheist due to not being convinced of God's existence. Word's like 'deny' are irrelevant in this context and to be honest rather annoying. It implies I am putting my hands over my ears and eyes and refusing to believe something that is evident. - God to me is not evident. That is why I am an atheist. If his exist ...[text shortened]... understand God and takes you further away from Him than someone who 'denies' His very existence.
Now if you wanted to discuss this as a bestselling book and are treating it as a character in a book of fiction, then to you isn't it all fiction?
Originally posted by JS357The thing I think people fail to take into account is God doesn't add punishment/wrath to His grace, so why do they think His punishment/wrath will be with mercy mixed in?
What I meant is that people will tend to view hell as less hellish when it is themselves they imagine being there. Of course I have no data to back this up.