Originally posted by Great King Ratyes Zen relaxation music 😀
Simply quoting someone does not equal responding to the points they make. But you edited your post to include some actual answers to my post, so you're no longer ignoring my points. Good for you.
Are you alright man? You seem a tad angry. Do you have a lot of stress? You do know how to get rid of that stress, right?
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by Rank outsiderI am not squeamish at all, perhaps you can tell us of the practicalities, how do they do it, make love while surfing on their laptops or thumbing through images on their smart phones?
What about people who use pornography as part of the 'real thing'?
Hang on, I think robbie's squeamishness alarm is about to go off.....
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"You have any evidence for this for i am sure that i can find evidence of the contrary that people who have viewed violent pornography have went on to commit rape."
that pornography cannot be healthy, that people substitute it for healthy relationships, that it taints peoples perceptions, that it could be dangerous and addictive, that its artificial, I mean, how hard can it be?
I have been happily married to one woman for more than fifteen years, your assertion that i am somehow promiscuous or a 'stud, or a b ...[text shortened]... it in avatars or by mistake in searches for innocent things. Its quite prevalent to be honest.
You silly goose, why do you mention violent porn specifically? This thread was about porn, right? Not just "violent" porn (whatever that entails)
I have no evidence that porn might stop someone from raping, but it I imagine it might be true to some degree.
"yes i get aroused when I come across a pretty woman showing off her body, its a natural reaction as I state at the outset, but i do not feed the desire and do not go looking for it."
Alright, so you agree it can be arousing. Now imagine people who have no partner. But they still have sexual urges. Are they to never have sex of any kind until they find a partner - which get's more difficult at a later age? Or should they opt for the next best thing - until the best thing comes along - and watch porn? Do you not think that might relieve their sexual desires temporally and thus make it less likely they go out in the night to get "the best thing" by force?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDespite everything you claimed about it 'not being Biblical' and 'unhealthy', I always interpreted your refusal/aversion to giving your wife oral sex to be the result of sexual inhibition and squeamishness on your part.
I am not squeamish at all, perhaps you can tell us of the practicalities, how do they do it, make love while surfing on their laptops or thumbing through images on their smart phones?
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by Great King RatNO evidence, well well!, the statement will remain unsubstantiated and uncorroborated and struck from the record.
"You have any evidence for this for i am sure that i can find evidence of the contrary that people who have viewed violent pornography have went on to commit rape."
You silly goose, why do you mention violent porn specifically? This thread was about porn, right? Not just "violent" porn (whatever that entails)
I have no evidence that porn might s ...[text shortened]... mporally and thus make it less likely they go out in the night to get "the best thing" by force?
What may transpire with people who have no sexual partner i cannot say, what i can say is that if they use pornography as a substitute, it is likely to be unhealthy and even addictive.
Pornography addiction is a conceptual model assessing behavioral addiction characterized by compulsive, repeated use of pornographic material until it causes serious negative consequences to one's physical, mental, social, or financial well-being.[1][2] However, the existence of pornography addiction has been hotly contested by scientists and clinicians.[3] Addiction to Internet pornography is also a form of cybersex addiction.[4]
Problematic Internet pornography viewing is viewing of Internet pornography that is problematic for an individual due to personal or social reasons, including excessive time spent viewing pornography instead of interacting with others. Individuals may report depression, social isolation, career loss, decreased productivity, or financial consequences as a result of their excessive Internet pornography viewing impeding on their social life.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_addiction
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have known people who watch pornographic films with their partners before and during the 'real thing'.
I am not squeamish at all, perhaps you can tell us of the practicalities, how do they do it, make love while surfing on their laptops or thumbing through images on their smart phones?
Which means they are being both natural and unnatural at the same time, healthy and unhealthy, real and artificial by your rationale.
The idea that the use of pornography is limited to people unable to have sex with a real-life partner is too simplistic.
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, addiction to porn exists. Nobody is arguing against this. People get addicted to lots of stuff. Earlier this month someone on this website made the one millionth chess move. Clearly addicted! Get that man some help!
NO evidence, well well!, the statement will remain unsubstantiated and uncorroborated and struck from the record.
What may transpire with people who have no sexual partner i cannot say, what i can say is that if they use pornography as a substitute, it is likely to be unhealthy and even addictive.
Pornography addiction is a conceptual model ass ...[text shortened]... viewing impeding on their social life.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_addiction
I still don't understand what your point is.
Should making and watching pornography be illegal because it can become an addiction? Is that what you're saying?
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by Rank outsiderI have not said that it is limited it can be equally as destructive for married persons as well, or persons already in a relationship,
I have known people who watch pornographic films with their partners before and during the 'real thing'.
Which means they are being both natural and unnatural at the same time, healthy and unhealthy, real and artificial.
The idea that the use of pornography is limited to people unable to have sex with a real-life partner is too simplistic.
It destroys the trust and intimacy within the husband-wife relationship and often leads to the end of the marriage itself.
It creates obstacles to real communication and personal interaction with one’s spouse and with others.
It stimulates within the porn addict a distorted view of sexuality that can lead to the desire for riskier, perverse and even criminal sexual behaviors.
It draws focus away from one’s family life and relationship with God and sets a destructive example for one’s children
http://www.foryourmarriage.org/everymarriage/overcoming-obstacles/pornography/
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, porn addiction can be bad.
I have not said that it is limited it can be equally as destructive for married persons as well, or persons already in a relationship,
It destroys the trust and intimacy within the husband-wife relationship and often leads to the end of the marriage itself.
It creates obstacles to real communication and personal interaction with one’s spouse a ...[text shortened]... one’s children
http://www.foryourmarriage.org/everymarriage/overcoming-obstacles/pornography/
06 Oct 14
Originally posted by Great King Ratwell gee thats great, because its addictive that makes is the same as playing chess, EPIC FAIL!
Yes, addiction to porn exists. Nobody is arguing against this. People get addicted to lots of stuff. Earlier this month someone on this website made the one millionth chess move. Clearly addicted! Get that man some help!
I still don't understand what your point is.
Should making and watching pornography be illegal because it can become an addiction? Is that what you're saying?
ok, ill spell it out for you one last time, see if you can grasp it,
viewing pornography may be unhealthy
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think you are right to say it could have a destructive effect on a relationship. Of course it could also not have a destructive effect on a relationship, I imagine,
I have not said that it is limited it can be equally as destructive for married persons as well, or persons already in a relationship.
Originally posted by Great King RatGee why dont we stick to the facts instead of attempting to make the debate personal,
I wonder if you are projecting your own likeliness of become addictive on others, Robbie.
Are you?
'If you wish to have conversation, please ratchet your instinctive focus away from personalities to Truth and its Opposition.' - Grandpa Bobby to FMF
Engaging the person rather than tackling the substance of the post is what small minds do. -RAJK to Divesgeester
get it?