Pornography

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Being a porn addict is not the same thing as being a sex addict.

There are many good reasons why being a sex addict might lead to suicide which would not apply to a porn addict.

Hmmm, in this context I am not sure that they are not one and the same thing although i do concede the point that there are differences. I am waiting for the owners of that site to get back to me with the source goodies, then i am gonna load the cannons. 😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ad hominem
adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.

I'm not debating. I'm informing you that people wish to converse with you in that other thread.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that pornography cannot be healthy, that people substitute it for healthy relationships, that it taints peoples perceptions, that it could be dangerous and addictive, that its artificial, I mean, how hard can it be?

I have been happily married to one woman for more than fifteen years, your assertion that i am somehow promiscuous or a 'stud, or a b ...[text shortened]... it in avatars or by mistake in searches for innocent things. Its quite prevalent to be honest.

do you think its possible to have a healthy relationship and also be a watcher of porn?


"You have any evidence for this for i am sure that i can find evidence of the contrary that people who have viewed violent pornography have went on to commit rape."

carefully selected wording there robbie. would you also be able to provide evidence that rape is caused by watching porn, or would you only be able to prove that a man who committed rape had, like most men, watched porn at some point?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially. Its like having no money and peering desirously into the sweet shop window and what happens is you end up merely licking the glass and dreaming about those tasty sweets inside. In ...[text shortened]... this instance. So many lonely people sucking up images into their minds. It cannot be healthy.

"Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially."

Is that so? Putting morality aside, the same could be said about the difference between playing football (or chess) and watching it being played. Playing and watching can be enjoyable and healthy in different ways.

I think there is an issue, though. In the young and inexperienced, watching porn might raise expectations of oneself and one's potential partners, to unrealistic levels which can stifle the development of a satisfying sex life. But this supposition stands in need of study.

And of course, anything that is pursued to the detriment of relationships with others and attending to the routine obligations of life, can lead to problems. Just like playing or watching too much football or chess or spending too much time on RHP forums instead of going to the pub for camaraderie.🙂

Originally posted by stellspalfie
do you think its possible to have a healthy relationship and also be a watcher of porn?


[b]"You have any evidence for this for i am sure that i can find evidence of the contrary that people who have viewed violent pornography have went on to commit rape."

carefully selected wording there robbie. would you also be able to provide evidence tha ...[text shortened]... y be able to prove that a man who committed rape had, like most men, watched porn at some point?[/b]

People are affected by what they take into their minds, that is why advertising works, why films are designed to appeal to the emotions, why music is so popular. Could i prove that pornography was a catalyst for rape, probably not because its such a broad generalisation, the like of which you seem quite fond and opinions are conflicting. Could i find individual cases where this has been the case, yes.

Originally posted by JS357
"Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially."

Is that so? Putting morality aside, the same could be said about the difference between playing football (or chess) and watching it being played. Playing and watching can be enjoyable an ...[text shortened]... or chess or spending too much time on RHP forums instead of going to the pub for camaraderie.🙂

I am not entirely convinced it is the same, people do not get sexually aroused by watching chess, well not normally. Have you ever watched a chess game? its probably about the driest spectator sport you can get and one is likely to dose off in a day dream. I am not saying that it does not provide stimulus and excitement, but its of a different nature.

Yes it raises expectations and there was even a case where a thirteen year old in England raped (they call it sexually assaulted but it amounts to the same thing) his eight year old sister after watching porn on the xbox.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not entirely convinced it is the same, people do not get sexually aroused by watching chess, well not normally. Have you ever watched a chess game? its probably about the driest spectator sport you can get and one is likely to dose off in a day dream. I am not saying that it does not provide stimulus and excitement, but its of a different natu ...[text shortened]... ted but it amounts to the same thing) his eight year old sister after watching porn on the xbox.

13 year olds shouldn't be watching porn.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
13 year olds shouldn't be watching porn.

legally they are not supposed to yes, but many have viewed pornography by the age of eleven. Smart phones dude, Instagram dude! masquerading on Facebook as being older than they actually are and although face book censors it, some gets through.

I caught one of my kids friend sending porn, he accidentally bluetoothed it to me. I let him play stuff over my car stereo via bluetooth and his and my phone were linked. He was about thirteen i reckon.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
legally they are not supposed to yes, but many have viewed pornography by the age of eleven. Smart phones dude, Instagram dude! masquerading on Facebook as being older than they actually are and although face book censors it, some gets through.

I'm not saying that 13 yo's are incapable of watching porn, am I??

Originally posted by Great King Rat
I'm not saying that 13 yo's are incapable of watching porn, am I??

No you are not, have i given the impression that you have? I am merely pointing out why its so prevalent.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
legally they are not supposed to yes, but many have viewed pornography by the age of eleven. Smart phones dude, Instagram dude! masquerading on Facebook as being older than they actually are and although face book censors it, some gets through.

Do you use Facebook?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No you are not, have i given the impression that you have? I am merely pointing out why its so prevalent.

Yes, you have, "dude".

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Yes, you have, "dude".

well it was not my intention.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially. Its like having no money and peering desirously into the sweet shop window and what happens is you end up merely licking the glass and dreaming about those tasty sweets inside. In ...[text shortened]... this instance. So many lonely people sucking up images into their minds. It cannot be healthy.

My wife and I are doing a Family Project group study. In it it talks about the average age that boys start looking is now at 8 because of the internet and before the internet it was age 13. Sad.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not entirely convinced it is the same, people do not get sexually aroused by watching chess, well not normally. Have you ever watched a chess game? its probably about the driest spectator sport you can get and one is likely to dose off in a day dream. I am not saying that it does not provide stimulus and excitement, but its of a different natu ...[text shortened]... ted but it amounts to the same thing) his eight year old sister after watching porn on the xbox.

"I am not entirely convinced it is the same, people do not get sexually aroused by watching chess, well not normally."

The distinction you were making between sexual intimacy and watching sexual intimacy was that one is "natural" and the other is "artificial." I say, So what?

I suggested that the two activities, participating in sexual intimacy and watching it, are like playing football or chess versus watching them being played. One participatory, the other is vicarious.

Yes, different pleasures come from each of those six activities, and some people get more, or less, or no pleasure from some of them. That is beside the point. Playing and watching football and chess are all 4 of them "artificial" activities. So what? Foreplay can be "artificial" too. Or "putting morality aside," are you against that too?

All that said, I agree that there can be negative consequences in terms of unrealistic expectations and lowered self esteem.