06 Apr 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo no solidarity or collective action with other persecuted groups in Russia?
We shall find a way to carry on. You know the thing. Covert meetings in the woodsaka 'picnics'. Typewriters hidden in secret basements. Literature smuggled in in coffee crates.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould you hope that non-JWs would be complicit with you in breaking the relevant laws if that was necessary to protect you and prevent you from being discovered and prosecuted?
We shall find a way to carry on. You know the thing. Covert meetings in the woods aka 'picnics'. Typewriters hidden in secret basements. Literature smuggled in inside coffee crates.
Originally posted by FMFIt depends. I would prefer that we did not need to supersede the law of the land to comply with Gods laws but sometimes we have no choice if we want to live our lives according to our understanding of the Bible. At least its not a capital offense to be a Christian as it was around the second and third centuries.
Would you hope that non-JWs would be complicit with you in breaking the relevant laws if that was necessary to protect you and prevent you from being discovered and prosecuted?
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06 Apr 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat is precisely the threat you are making - answering to an authority you regard as being above the state; one that commands you to do that. You represent unruliness; unpredictability.
It depends. I would prefer that we did not need to supersede the law of the land to comply with Gods laws but sometimes we have no choice if we want to live our lives according to our understanding of the Bible. At least its not a capital offense to be a Christian as it was around the second and third centuries.
Originally posted by JS357Not unruliness nor unpredictability. Our tenets are well known and understood. We do represent a portion of the populace that will deny absolute government control though - which they are naturally unhappy about. But its no reason to outlaw us or make us criminals.
That is precisely the threat you are making - answering to an authority you regard as being above the state; one that commands you to do that. You represent unruliness; unpredictability.
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06 Apr 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are unruly wrt the state's rules where they conflict with yours, say, military conscription, but I do suppose you are predictable. The predictions trouble them.
Not unruliness nor unpredictability. Our tenets are well known and understood. We do represent a portion of the populace that will deny absolute government control though - which they are naturally unhappy about. But its no reason to outlaw us or make us criminals.
Originally posted by JS357But they know the story, we been through it with the Nazis and Stalin. They know, No conscription. No military service. Sorry we don't do war.
You are unruly wrt the state's rules where they conflict with yours, say, military conscription, but I do suppose you are predictable. The predictions trouble them.
07 Apr 17
FMF: So no solidarity or collective action with other persecuted groups in Russia?Correct me if I am wrong, but judging by statements you have made on this thread, it appears that the only human rights you are willing to support or struggle for are your own. And if this is so, does it stem from your interpretation of John 18:36 ?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Not that I am aware of.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"...we don't do war."
But they know the story, we been through it with the Nazis and Stalin. They know, No conscription. No military service. Sorry we don't do war.
I wonder if your ability to thrive as a religion is directly proportional to the willingness of the people of the country you are in to fight, to the point of war, for freedom of religion. In other words if you are as a religion, an economic "free rider" having your freedom of religion defended for you by others.
I expect that you have a satisfactory answer. I would like to hear it. Three of the most cherished and lovable people in my life are Witnesses, although they are distanced from me by their faith. Or my lack of it.
