Originally posted by josephw
[b]"You refuse to get to MY issue. I said, 100 million died at the hands of despots, and all the religious crew here could say it, yeah but those despots were those disgusting atheists."
I get your issue. You can't reconcile a world of hate and violence with the concept of a creator God because you think the two don't mix. I get that!
I don't give ...[text shortened]... trying to provoke you sonhouse. I appreciate your honesty, but I'm just trying to be honest too![/b]
I didn't twist ANY truth, I simply said no deity lifted a rhetorical finger to stop all those deaths and it is my position a real deity would have been appalled by that level of murder and would have done something about it.
You seem to think it is all going to work out in the end, all those murdered, all those children, all those unborn children will somehow end up in some afterlife.
So what is the afterlife of an unborn child going to be? What is going to be the afterlife of a murdered one month old infant? Is it all of a sudden going to be a highly appreciative adult looking around in wonder all of a sudden being in your concept of heaven?
I am just saying the 100 million deaths shows ME quite clearly it could just as easily have been 100 BILLION deaths, in other words, every human on the planet dead and no deity would stop it.
Just saying if there is a deity, we hold no special place in its pantheon of life and it is just as likely there is no deity in the first place, the whole edifice of religion just made up by humans for the specific purpose to control other people and build up a political power base which is exactly what I see going on in ALL organized religions today with very few exceptions. For instance, the Bahai faith builds no churches, doesn't spend huge amounts of money on them, but instead concentrating on actual spirituality.
I still think they, just like every other religion on Earth, are ALL man made.
There are just too many religions floating around killing each other in the name of some god or other and no deity responds, NO RESPONSE to all that religious based killing going on as we speak and for the past couple thousand years, like the Crusades and the present Jihadists and such.
If your deity was like the ancient ones in old Israel, they got directly talked to, now the only thing we get is charlatans trying to and succeeding, in making people THINK a deity talks to them and they therefore are at the top of the religious totem pole and handing out wisdom and such, and of course taking in millions to support their lifestyle.
THAT is clearly man made. So why can't you see your own religion in that same light?