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@vivify saidShow us the present! Show us the routers!! I demand that the routers be seized by Sydney Powell and examined by Rudy Giuliani!!!
This is more evidence than Republicans actually have.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnd when people today speak of the “four winds” and the “four points of the compass”, do you think that commits them to a rectangular Earth? I think it’s nothing but a figure of speech, then as now. I think the biblical passages you cited are allegorical, never intended to be taken literally as proof of the shape of the planet, whatever shape they thought the planet was.
I agree their interest was not in the shape of the Earth. Nevertheless, the language used indicates their preconceived (and unchallenged) understanding of the world they lived on.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat wasn’t just any old fiddle. It was my Strad. Had to pawn it and never made it back there.
Last time I saw it, was hanging in a pawnbroker's window next to an old violin and a painting of a cat. But that was 12 years ago...
@no1marauder saidA thug who should not have been issued a badge.
There was no "miscarriage of justice" and Chauvin isn't a "wrongfully convicted man". He's a criminal who just happened to be carrying a badge.
@averagejoe1 saidTrump did not say he wanted to kill the constitution. He tweeted it should be set aside in order to re-instate him.
Please leave this thread open, we are all waiting for SHouse. He said above republicans (Trump) are trying to kill constitution, let’s hear him out.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSupported by one peculiar interpretation of the Bible, that much I will concede. I am still not convinced that those who wrote it were at all interested in its shape or motion, no more so than they were interested in how it came to be, not literally (geologically) anyway. The Book of Genesis isn’t original to the Hebrews; it’s a rehash of the Babylonian epic Enuma Elish. The Babylonians probably took it in the same way as ancient Greeks took Homer: an entertaining embellishment on an old legend. I don’t think any ancient Greek upon hearing Homer’s account of the battle at Troy really believed that one particular hero’s liver, rather than his spleen or his kidney, was gouged out by a spear, not literally anyway.
Two different things indeed old chap, but both supported by the bible.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidImmovable and flat are two different things, not logically related. Galileo was threatened with torture if he did not recant about the Earth moving, but I’m not sure its shape mattered to the Vatican. That’s in any case long after the Bible was canonized, and Ancient Greek and Arabic knowledge were far more advanced than that of Central Europe in the Dark Ages.
I think a flat Earth (and indeed an immovable Earth) would have been taken for granted by the writers of the Bible., and not just in an allegorical sense.
“He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.” 1 Chronicles 16:30
@rookie54 saidRead the fine print, my dear fellow: "no user serviceable parts inside." Or outside. Or nearby.
in the morning
i took a box of cherrios
i created microdonuts by garnishing the processed oats with powdered sugar and lil tiny sprinkles
in the afternoon
got sued by big cereal for disapproved product enhancement
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI'm not convinced that whoever compiled the OT had any firm opinions about it either way, and anyway, the stories (plural) in Genesis were lifted from pre-hebraic myths common in the ME at that time from other religions. I am firmly convinced that all of these creation stories (Genesis, Gilgamesh, Hesiod, Theognis, etc.) were never intended to be literal explanations of how the universe came to be; they are one and all allegories about the human condition. So it doesn't matter that bits of these myths are translated as 'the four corners of the earth' -- for the same reason that it doesn't matter that we still talk about the four points of the compass even today, north, south, east and west. It's nothing but an arbitrary coordinate system which serves us, it doesn't mean we still think the world is flat, or that they did either.
It's kind of understandable why humans, hundreds or thousands of years ago, naturally assumed the Earth was flat. Flat Earthers however have no place in a modern world where it is blindingly obvious (and observable) what shape the Earth actually is.