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  1. Standard membervivify
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    24 Oct '20 13:481 edit
    @averagejoe1 Have you ever heard Trump say anything negative?
    LMFAO. You are not worth debating.
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    24 Oct '20 13:44
    @shavixmir said
    The only true “deep state” isn’t state at all.
    It’s lobby groups and very rich donors to political parties.

    These “groups” buy influence to suit their own needs.
    They’re not accountable to anybody or anything but themselves and perhaps their shareholders.

    The demands these groups make thwart political parties’ own agendas and goals. Hence corruption, lying and seem ...[text shortened]... cket science. And it really isn’t some deep state complot to overthrow the trailer parks in Alabama.
    Excellent post.
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    24 Oct '20 06:191 edit
    "Better late than never; but never late is better."---Drake
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    23 Oct '20 19:491 edit
    @averagejoe1 said
    OK Trump at fault. Let’s enjoy a robust “Biden says we need to transition fossil fuels! “ Economies Run On oil, gas, coal. Are you for the Biden plan? Ohheck, never mind, let’s just watch the news, and don’t forget about Bobulinski. He knows a lot about the money that Biden got, that he says he did not get. It will be fun.

    Or, we can figure out to get our economy back (Trump specialty) while Biden stands firm on closing businesses!!! Hahahaha
    Unable to counter Trump being a proven liar who didn't care about the pandemic, you now move goalposts to oil. You're getting nailed, just like Mott.
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    23 Oct '20 19:07
    @mott-the-hoople said
    " It lists them, which is different. "

    LOL
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"---Declaration of Independence.
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    23 Oct '20 18:48
    @mott-the-hoople said
    @no1marauder

    are you ducking on this?

    @no1marauder said
    The Constitution constituted a government, it did not create Rights.

    Right wingers are abysmally ignorant of the philosophy of the Founders.


    My reply...
    OMG...are you kidding?

    The constitution grants several rights...

    "* "The privilege of the writ of habeas ...[text shortened]... required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article VI, 3)"
    No1 said the Constitution doesn't "create" rights. That's correct. It lists them, which is different.

    Saying the Constitution created the right to free speech means that this right didn't exist before the Constitution; that would be wrong. Free speech is a natural right that exists without or without the Constitution.
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    23 Oct '20 18:272 edits
    @earl-of-trumps said
    @vivify - The travel ban on China had nothing to do with the virus; Trump just has a personal beef with China, and COVID was merely an excuse.

    ^^proof positive^^ that Vivify is a true TDS-er. lol.

    Nothing to do with China at all! Trump is just a rrrraaaaaaaaacist!

    What would YOU have done, vivify? Such a genius. You and MarauderNo1
    Know what a strawman is? Seems like you don't.

    A strawman is when you falsely assert someone's position, then attack them for what they didn't say.

    Did I mention racism toward China? No. Does a guy who called climate change a "Chinese hoax" have a personal beef toward China? Obviously.

    Thanks for proving you use fallacious arguments.
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    23 Oct '20 17:56
    @joe-shmo said
    I don't think its a singular organization. I doubt there is a command center if that is what you are referring to. I imagine different agencies cooperate when it is mutually beneficial or they are coerced. So we can never point to it and say , that is the deep state... its fluid.
    One final question: How do you know when the deep state is responsible for something? Is there a definitive answer or merely guesses?
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    23 Oct '20 17:52
    @averagejoe1 said
    Vivify, Biden is despicable to suggest Trump responsible for 220k deaths. Trump stopped the travel, biden cslled him xenophobic.......had Biden been president and allowed travel, maybe 500k would have died. Now change the subject. You are getting nailed today, like the Marsuder.
    You're saying Trump travel-banned China because of COVID, while trying to convince America that COVID is nothing and will just "disappear"? The same guy who deliberately lied about the seriousness of COVID and mocked people for wearing masks? Who blocked Fauci from informing the public how bad COVID actually was?

    The travel ban on China had nothing to do with the virus; Trump just has a personal beef with China, and COVID was merely an excuse. You're knowingly defending a proven liar whose actions directly lead to 223 thousand deaths. You're not worth debating.
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    23 Oct '20 17:32
    @cheesemaster said
    @vivify

    Yet you believed "Russian Collusion"
    So did Don Jr. at Trump Tower.
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    23 Oct '20 17:31
    @joe-shmo said
    It's a cooperation between the federal bureaucracy and main stream media. The 3 million bureaucrats behind the scenes of the puppets presented for us. They are almost all leftwing and until bigtech came along they solely controlled the exchange of information.
    Is there any evidence the "Deep State" exists?
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    23 Oct '20 16:34
    Just like with "Obamagate", conservatives never actually explain what the "deep state" is or how they know it exists. Republicans claim it's something sinister pulling the strings behind everything that makes them look bad.

    So what is the "deep state"? Can anyone plainly explain it?

    Please, no links to one of your white supremacist conspiracy-theorist websites. Just plainly state what "deep is" and how you know it exists.
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    23 Oct '20 15:28
    @averagejoe1 said
    Trump doesnt have ballz?? Marauder? Compared to whom? Biden? Are you suggesting that Biden has more ballsz than Trump has? As if you would rather have Biden in charge in the event of a major attack by another country? Is Biden tougher than Trump?
    Trump dodged going to war by claiming "bone spurs" and hid in a bunker when protesters were outside the White House.

    Doesn't seem very tough.
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    23 Oct '20 15:22
    @cheesemaster said
    Less than 1% dead is not serious.
    223,000 deaths isn't serious. Got it.
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    23 Oct '20 13:42
    @cheesemaster said
    @shavixmir

    Obviously leftist news and media will say Biden won. 🙄
    Have they ever been unbiased? No.
    Right-wing media defending Trump lying to America's face about the seriousness of a pandemic.
    Have they ever been unbiased? Please.
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