Banning some players and nullifying the points some clans have garnered will not fix what is wrong with the clan system. The system has structural weaknesses which are open to abuse, and those will have to be corrected in order to salvage the clan system, regardless whether disciplinary measures are implemented against those currently abusing the system.
Originally posted by moonbusSir,
Banning some players and nullifying the points some clans have garnered will not fix what is wrong with the clan system. The system has structural weaknesses which are open to abuse, and those will have to be corrected in order to salvage the clan system, regardless whether disciplinary measures are implemented against those currently abusing the system.
That I believe everyone is aware of, but do you have any solutions that might be helpful in doing so? I am sure everyone would like to see a fix for the clan system. It is quite obvious the honor system isn't working out. Banning some players and nullifying the points would send a strong message not to do it again!!!
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Originally posted by moonbusCurrently Net points is the deciding factor of who wins at the end of the year. This incentivizes clans to send imbalanced challenges. Easy Riders have 111 wins and 62 loses, Metallica has 90 wins and 31 loses. So clearly both clans are stacking challenges in their favor.
Banning some players and nullifying the points some clans have garnered will not fix what is wrong with the clan system. The system has structural weaknesses which are open to abuse, and those will have to be corrected in order to salvage the clan system, regardless whether disciplinary measures are implemented against those currently abusing the system.
Why not decide the winner at the end of the year by whoever is closest to Net 0 points. That way the most "honorable" clan will win 🙄
Obviously drawn matches will result in zero points, All the clans tied up at the end of the year with 0 net points are all winners for playing fair😏
Originally posted by KnightStalker47And lets go into the English Premier league next year, find the team in the middle of the pack and declare them champion.
Currently Net points is the deciding factor of who wins at the end of the year. This incentivizes clans to send imbalanced challenges. Easy Riders have 111 wins and 62 loses, Metallica has 90 wins and 31 loses. So clearly both clans are stacking challenges in their favor.
Why not decide the winner at the end of the year by whoever is closest to Ne ...[text shortened]... ll the clans tied up at the end of the year with 0 net points are all winners for playing fair😏
Let's go to Rio, intervene in the 100M final and put the gold medal around the neck of the 4th place finisher.(if someone fails a drug test, boot them !!)
As a member of Metallica, I am proud of our won-lost record.
We play well. And our clan leader negotiates well with other clan leaders.
We do NOT sit with other clan leaders and conspire to funnel points to us with very large and pre-arranged challenges !!
I appreciate that you provide input into this discussion, the more the better !!
But agreeing with you ??
Thanks, but no thanks.
Originally posted by MctaytoSir,
So you suggest banning all Metallica players for sandbagging their titles ?
Metallica players are not the ones who are throwing games like yourself. We don't have clans we are in collusion with like Breaking bad, Anti Metallica & arrow.( You are the Clan leader of that group are you not?)
Explain why you keep playing a Clan like "Easy Riders" who you know you can not win against. I do not expect an answer of course. Do you get the point now? You just love to keep stepping in it for some reason.
Kind Regards,
Karma is nipping at your butt,
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Originally posted by mghrn55My post was satire highlighting the absurdity of declaring a winner by playing in "fair" challenges. In any other competition, such at the 100m dash, the winner is more skilled than the rest.
And lets go into the English Premier league next year, find the team in the middle of the pack and declare them champion.
Let's go to Rio, intervene in the 100M final and put the gold medal around the neck of the 4th place finisher.(if someone fails a drug test, boot them !!)
As a member of Metallica, I am proud of our won-lost record.
We play well. And ...[text shortened]... into this discussion, the more the better !!
But agreeing with you ??
Thanks, but no thanks.
Why not use the clan leagues to determine the winner. Clans send in their best team and the most skilled team wins. So much simpler. No sandbagging, no collusion, no BS. The team that plays the best Chess wins.
Originally posted by KnightStalker47Sir,
My post was satire highlighting the absurdity of declaring a winner by playing in "fair" challenges. In any other competition, such at the 100m dash, the winner is more skilled than the rest.
Why not use the clan leagues to determine the winner. Clans send in their best team and the most skilled team wins. So much simpler. No sandbagging, no collusion, no BS. The team that plays the best Chess wins.
That is just fine if you happen to be a 2000 player or 1800 up. What about the little guys who are 1100 or even under up to 1800? That is the reason for having the clan play so everyone can get a chance to play in a clan/team game.
I certainly wouldn't have a chance of playing now would I?
Kind Regards,
-VR
Originally posted by Very RustyExactly !!
Sir,
That is just fine if you happen to be a 2000 player or 1800 up. What about the little guys who are 1100 or even under up to 1800? That is the reason for having the clan play so everyone can get a chance to play in a clan/team game.
I certainly wouldn't have a chance of playing now would I?
Kind Regards,
-VR
The clan leagues is the more formal feature.
Clan feature is intended to more informal.
Therefore, by its' very nature, it runs largely on the honor system.
Clan forum serves a purpose for dishonor to be exposed.
Easy Riders, along with their cohorts, have no honor.
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Originally posted by Very RustyYou don't deserve a chance to be on top if you don't have the skill. Welcome to every competition ever.
Sir,
That is just fine if you happen to be a 2000 player or 1800 up. What about the little guys who are 1100 or even under up to 1800? That is the reason for having the clan play so everyone can get a chance to play in a clan/team game.
I certainly wouldn't have a chance of playing now would I?
Kind Regards,
-VR
A 1600 rated player could be the difference in his clan placing 50th or 30th. Whatever your skill you end up where you deserve to be. It doesn't get any more fair than that.
Originally posted by KnightStalker47Lordy lordy like a hot knife through butter! 😀
You don't deserve a chance to be on top if you don't have the skill. Welcome to every competition ever.
A 1600 rated player could be the difference in his clan placing 50th or 30th. Whatever your skill you end up where you deserve to be. It doesn't get any more fair than that.
Originally posted by KnightStalker47Sir,
You don't deserve a chance to be on top if you don't have the skill. Welcome to every competition ever.
A 1600 rated player could be the difference in his clan placing 50th or 30th. Whatever your skill you end up where you deserve to be. It doesn't get any more fair than that.
So what you are saying is to HELL with the players rated under 1600. Good thing you don't run the site!
Kind Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR
Originally posted by KnightStalker47When you fell out of the tree and landed on your head as a child, did they tell your parents that you had suffered permanent brain damage?
Currently Net points is the deciding factor of who wins at the end of the year. This incentivizes clans to send imbalanced challenges. Easy Riders have 111 wins and 62 loses, Metallica has 90 wins and 31 loses. So clearly both clans are stacking challenges in their favor.
Why not decide the winner at the end of the year by whoever is closest to Ne ...[text shortened]... ll the clans tied up at the end of the year with 0 net points are all winners for playing fair😏
How can anyone make a blanket statement about wins and losses and the obviousness of stacked challenges? I realize you engage your mouth before the brain kicked in, so I will dispell your assertion right here and now as being ludicrous without bothering to examine each challenge.
Under your premise, a 10 man challenge that was won by the score of 10.5 - 9.5 and gets its clan a win and 20 net points is "obviously stacked". Another 10 man challenge where the final score was 18-2 which also nets a win and 20 net points would be viewed the same??
Now, if you bothered to research the matches, you would figure out that what you suggested is simplistic and inaccurate. However, in the case of robbie's challenges with his three feeder clans, you will note the disparity is huge, more along the lines of 18 man challenges with a 33-3 W-L mark.
If you want to besmirch Metallica's challenges, why don't you talk to the clans who do play us and you might be amazed. Many of our challenges are very close. We also lose several of them.
You are incorrect that if all challenges were perfectly balanced, they w-L record would be 50-50. You are applying mathematical functions to things that are not mathematically controllable. How do you account for bad biorhythms or stretches of poor play or exceptional play by individuals? Do you propose that if one player is playing well, another player must be playing poorly, so your equitable balance could be achieved?
If you follow sports at all, can you explain why when two evenly matched teams play, that a losing streak or a long winning streak is even possible?
In summary, do your homework first. I have, and do so regularly. That is why we catch a lot of the the crap these guys are pulling before anyone is aware. We watch. We are smart. We can also spot cheats and what they are doing. This is why we have carried out this assault on the cheaters to show the collusion they have entered into. That is how we caught VESPIN red handed breaking the TOS and operating two clans simultaneously. We also found a couple of others who did the same and are no longer.
It is becoming pretty obvious that the administration, i.e. Russ, does not intend to fix the problems that plaque the Clan Chess system. There has been extensive dialogue with him about the problems. He also is well aware of the travesty being carried out by the "4 sisters". You are now witnessing the fallout of the actions. You are seeing more clans falling to the wayside. You are seeing more players dropping their subscriptions. There will be many more following suit because there is no sense in playing in this bastardization of the rules by the 4 sisters.
So, if you don't like clan chess, cheer for the actions of the 4 sisters. If you did like it, piss on the 4 sisters for their destruction of it. It is really sad that their actions were inspired out of jealousy over what the winning clans accomplished, while their efforts were dwarfed. Listen to their cat calls and cries of righteousness and other such non sense. Look at the players involved and know that a few spoiled children messed it up for everyone.
Originally posted by MctaytoNo we suggest banning you for tossing your games for years and being a primary impetus in the last three years of trying to cause this train wreck. You know it and I know it.You just don't have the guts to admit it. I will stand here right now and tell you that I would personally love to break several TOS rules on you personally. You figure that out.
So you suggest banning all Metallica players for sandbagging their titles ?
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Originally posted by Very RustyThen keep clan challenges around to get all the players who didn't make the team, to contribute in their own way. The points awarded from clan challenges would have to be much smaller compared to the clan leagues in the interest of fairness. Something like 300 points for winning a division in the clan leagues.
Sir,
So what you are saying is to HELL with the players rated under 1600. Good thing you don't run the site!
Kind Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR
I think that would work.