My clan had 20 members. One player leaves but not before he finished his very last game. He had ZERO games left. There is nobody else in the leaving category, or pending category. It does show the player who left as leaving. He does not appear in the lineup of players. Only 19 show. No other player is leaving.
A new player wants to join but the number of players showing is 20 when it show 19 players.
Does anyone know why? Is there a 24 hour wait for some reason? If the player who left completed every single game then we truly only have 19 players.
Michael
@Michael-Martin said@Michael,
My clan had 20 members. One player leaves but not before he finished his very last game. He had ZERO games left. There is nobody else in the leaving category, or pending category. It does show the player who left as leaving. He does not appear in the lineup of players. Only 19 show. No other player is leaving.
A new player wants to join but the number of players sho ...[text shortened]... n? If the player who left completed every single game then we truly only have 19 players.
Michael
mlctulsa is the one leaving and although his games are completed the Clan Challenge is not finished yet. I believe this is the hold up.
Just finish that challenge I think you should be ok then to take on another player.
-VR
@Very-Rusty
I thought as long as the games were finished they were done. as in they are not an extra player. His games are done. He has two open challenges but his part is done. He finished his every game. I thought that might be the problem to. I think that part should be left out. Once a player has finished all games and leaves he is not an extra player. Imagine if his name was in 20 challenges but no active games?? that could take a year before replacing him.
I messaged Russ and hoping he just meant for the player to finish the games and that is it. Hoping he can fix the other part. This can get messy for all clans.
but I thought the same thing but it took me a while. You got first shot as usual.
thank you,
Michael
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@Michael-Martin i also thought if a player had finished their clan games they were removed, if you have to wait for a challenge to finish they were involved in that could take a very long time!
@Wycombe-Al saidAl,
@Michael-Martin i also thought if a player had finished their clan games they were removed, if you have to wait for a challenge to finish they were involved in that could take a very long time!
Another way to do it is just end the challenge, especially if it isn't going to be won anyways.
I know the reason is clans were going it to have extra people in the clan, I believe Russ did a good thing putting a stop on that.
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@Very-Rusty
yes agree as it was possible at one point to have 22, 23 or more playing with those leaving potentially loaded with games before they left
@Wycombe-Al said@Al,
@Very-Rusty
yes agree as it was possible at one point to have 22, 23 or more playing with those leaving potentially loaded with games before they left
Yes, and I've seen as many as 25 and 26 back some years ago, and it has been used ever since. This will certainly put a stop from Clan Leaders doing this as they will make sure the person leaving or that they might be kicking for what ever reason have finished all their games as they can't take on a New Player until they have done so. We all know this is something that has been going on for years!!!
-VR
@Russ saidI had to close out two challenges even though he had zero games. This could be a problem at some point. what if my player had zero games like he did and I do mean zero games. But what if he was in 30 challenges but his games were all finished but the challenges were still going on. This might be something to look into changing. Once a player has zero games and not listed in your clan anymore that player can not help that clan at all. He is not active in any way. I think once a player has zero games you should be able to bring some one in the moment that happens.
Check the 'leaving' tab - 1 player is leaving, 19 current = 20.
Player's can't be fully removed until all games are complete, because this was once abused to increase the number of players active in a clan.
am I looking at this wrong? I have had players leaving before, up to three of them because they moved so slow. It was never abuse in my case. I never gave it a thought. It was so bad Russ you wiped the players and games out to give my clan a clean start. two challenges were over two years old. One was over a year. You had said they stalled. but it was great to have them removed.
In this case my player was listed in leaving not because of games but because his name was in the challenges even though his were finished.
It's all good now. but couldn't this be an issue?
@Wycombe-Al saidthat is exactly what I was trying to say. this could be an issue. My players games were at zero. But the challenges or challenge was still going. He can't contribute anymore so a new player should be able to join at that point. Imagine if he had 30 challenges with his name in them but his games were all finished. It could be a year or more before you get a new player. I think once they are at zero you should be able to bring in a new player.
@Michael-Martin i also thought if a player had finished their clan games they were removed, if you have to wait for a challenge to finish they were involved in that could take a very long time!
Am I wrong here Al????
Michael
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@Michael-Martin said@Michael,
that is exactly what I was trying to say. this could be an issue. My players games were at zero. But the challenges or challenge was still going. He can't contribute anymore so a new player should be able to join at that point. Imagine if he had 30 challenges with his name in them but his games were all finished. It could be a year or more before you get a new pla ...[text shortened]... they are at zero you should be able to bring in a new player.
Am I wrong here Al????
Michael
It appears to me as soon as the challenge(s) were closed that your player leaving was in you were able to take on your newest player. If you had the player you are going to let go in many challenges, I believe the same rule would apply and I do agree with it. It will certainly teach Clan Leaders to plan things so the players they are letting go has all game finished. Good lesson for future reference in my opinion. Now you know how it will work as well as other Clan Leaders watching this Thread.
This way it is fair for all concerned in my humble opinion.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidI agree with the rule completely. I just feel once the player has finished ALL his games that is it. He can't play anymore games and has none going. He can not contribute. I think once his or her games are done the new player should be able to join. It doesn't make sense to me that the challenge is still going therefore you can't have a new player join. There is no harm in it. The rule russ wanted is a player must have zero games going before they are gone. Agreed on that. But if he or she had a ton of games in challenges you could be waiting a year before getting a new player. That I don't like. My players play a lot of games. A ton.
@Michael,
It appears to me as soon as the challenge(s) were closed that your player leaving was in you were able to take on your newest player. If you had the player you are going to let go in many challenges, I believe the same rule would apply and I do agree with it. It will certainly teach Clan Leaders to plan things so the players they are letting go has all game f ...[text shortened]... Leaders watching this Thread.
This way it is fair for all concerned in my humble opinion.
-VR
If their game count is zero there is no harm in letting the new player in. Unless I am missing something. I knew about the rule and waited until he had zero games. I had to close up two challenges to bring a player in.
I agree with the rule. But after zero games I say let the new player in.
I followed the rule. I just did not know about the second part of it. I hope Russ changes that.
But that may just be me. One person.
Michael
@Michael-Martin said@Michael,
I agree with the rule completely. I just feel once the player has finished ALL his games that is it. He can't play anymore games and has none going. He can not contribute. I think once his or her games are done the new player should be able to join. It doesn't make sense to me that the challenge is still going therefore you can't have a new player join. There is n ...[text shortened]... he second part of it. I hope Russ changes that.
But that may just be me. One person.
Michael
I know for a fact from being in the clan the player you let go didn't play a lot of games, from being in the clan for 4 years. As I said Clan Leaders will have to be careful before letting players go, pretty simple actually.
I could see a special rule for some one that may have passed away, now that would be a whole different story. Perhaps a rule of some sort should be made about that. Metallica don't have anything to be concerned about as there is very little turn over in Metallica.
I believe you have a good Clan right now, in my opinion, but you are the Clan leader and that is for you to decide not me.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidyeah.... agree on the rule completely. But once the games are done you should be allowed to have a new player. Your clan does not have much turnover. But other clans have turnover even if it's not a lot. Waiting for challenges to end when your player has zero games makes no sense at all. None. The purpose of the rule I agree with. Which is why Russ made the rule zero games left. Once that has been accomplished you should be able to move on. I"d like to know how Fred feels on this. I trust his judgement as do many.
@Michael,
I know for a fact from being in the clan the player you let go didn't play a lot of games, from being in the clan for 4 years. As I said Clan Leaders will have to be careful before letting players go, pretty simple actually.
I could see a special rule for some one that may have passed away, now that would be a whole different story. Perhaps a rule of some ...[text shortened]... n right now, in my opinion, but you are the Clan leader and that is for you to decide not me.
-VR
Michael
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@Michael-Martin said@Michael,
yeah.... agree on the rule completely. But once the games are done you should be allowed to have a new player. Your clan does not have much turnover. But other clans have turnover even if it's not a lot. Waiting for challenges to end when your player has zero games makes no sense at all. None. The purpose of the rule I agree with. Which is why Russ made the rule ...[text shortened]... to move on. I"d like to know how Fred feels on this. I trust his judgement as do many.
Michael
Yes, it is a good rule I believe Fred already said he liked it if I am not mistaken. Again Clan Leaders have to be careful before letting players go. As a rule a Clan Leader would know well in and advance when they are going to let a player go, and plan accordingly knowing the rules. One rule for all is the only way to do it.
As I was saying I think there should most certainly be a rule made say if a player died, there is no way to finish those games, so something would have to be made in the occasion that may happen. I think that is even more important to make a rule if a person dies what happens to the on going games???
We are all getting older and many of us have our own health issues to deal with. I know I wouldn't want my Clan or Club for that matter left to deal with what to do with the games I couldn't complete, and we all know I carry a lot of games, Club, Tournament and Clan Challenge games as do other players who can be found in the most active players table.
-VR