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  1. 07 Dec '16 22:43 / 2 edits
    Happy Pearl Harbor day everyone

    So the question begs, did FDR know about the attack?

    After all, they broke the Japanese code well before the attack.

    Early code-breaking efforts. Even before World War I, the United States had been regularly deciphering coded messages sent by foreign diplomats. On the basis of decoded diplomatic messages, for example, the United States and Great Britain knew what arms limitations the Japanese would accept in the peace talks following the war, and negotiators bargained accordingly. The effort to break Japanese diplomatic codes continued into the 1920s and 1930s under the direction of William Friedman, a Russian immigrant who was appointed chief cryptanalyst of the Army Signal Intelligence Service (SIS) in 1922. In the late 1930s, SIS cryptanalysts succeeding in breaking the Purple code, also designated AN-1, which was the principal cipher Japan used to send diplomatic messages

    Read more: http://www.faqs.org/espionage/Vo-Z/World-War-II-United-States-Breaking-of-Japanese-Naval-Codes.html#ixzz4SCAcMmfS

    I guess their only hope is to try and convince us that the code was broken for Midway, but not Pearl Harbor.
  2. 07 Dec '16 22:55 / 1 edit
    White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said during a press conference Monday it was natural for World War II veterans to be “embittered” about Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s visit to Pearl Harbor, but they should get over it for the sake of America.

    Thanks for that. I'm sure that was well received by the brave men that survived both Pearl Harbor and the Obama administration.
  3. 07 Dec '16 23:16
    Originally posted by whodey
    White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said during a press conference Monday it was natural for World War II veterans to be “embittered” about Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s visit to Pearl Harbor, but they should get over it for the sake of America.

    Thanks for that. I'm sure that was well received by the brave men that survived both Pearl Harbor and the Obama administration.
    So the troll Whodey finds a way to blame Barack Obama for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.
    After all, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii (what a coincidence!) about 20 years afterward.
    Wait! Some right-wing Americans refuse to believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
  4. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Dec '16 00:48
    The Lessons Today’s Leaders Should Take From Pearl Harbor

    http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/07/the-lessons-todays-leaders-should-take-from-pearl-harbor/
  5. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    08 Dec '16 02:02
    Originally posted by whodey
    White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said during a press conference Monday it was natural for World War II veterans to be “embittered” about Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s visit to Pearl Harbor, but they should get over it for the sake of America.

    Thanks for that. I'm sure that was well received by the brave men that survived both Pearl Harbor and the Obama administration.
    Good grief.

    Crazy boy.
  6. 08 Dec '16 04:23
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    So the troll Whodey finds a way to blame Barack Obama for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.
    After all, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii (what a coincidence!) about 20 years afterward.
    Wait! Some right-wing Americans refuse to believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
    How am I blaming Obama for Pearl Harbor exactly?

    The point here is that Obama was lecturing to these veterans when I think he had no business doing so. What was the point? These men fought for their country and lost their friends in the process. What business of it is his to lecture these men? It is truly laughable.
  7. 08 Dec '16 04:24
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Good grief.

    Crazy boy.
    The thread was addressing whether or not FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to get attacked.


    What say you?
  8. Standard member HandyAndy
    Non sum qualis eram
    08 Dec '16 04:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    The thread was addressing whether or not FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to get attacked.


    What say you?
    Since when are you interested in facts?
  9. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    08 Dec '16 11:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I guess their only hope is to try and convince us that the code was broken for Midway, but not Pearl Harbor.
    Ummmm, Midway was after Pearl Harbor.
  10. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    08 Dec '16 11:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Happy Pearl Harbor day everyone

    So the question begs, did FDR know about the attack?

    After all, they broke the Japanese code well before the attack.

    Early code-breaking efforts. Even before World War I, the United States had been regularly deciphering coded messages sent by foreign diplomats. On the basis of decoded diplomatic messages, for example, ...[text shortened]... r only hope is to try and convince us that the code was broken for Midway, but not Pearl Harbor.
    Yes Whodey, FDR knew all about the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance and sat on his hands and let the attack happen, and all because Democrats are wimps, and dislike the the military.
  11. 08 Dec '16 14:23
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Ummmm, Midway was after Pearl Harbor.
    As I already have shown, the US broke the Japanese code well before either event.
  12. 08 Dec '16 14:24
    Originally posted by mchill
    Yes Whodey, FDR knew all about the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance and sat on his hands and let the attack happen, and all because Democrats are wimps, and dislike the the military.
    IF FDR was trying to sell a war, what better way then to allow a devastating attack that he anticipated the US could recover from?
  13. 08 Dec '16 15:02
    Originally posted by whodey
    IF FDR was trying to sell a war, what better way then to allow a devastating attack that he anticipated the US could recover from?
    A better way would be to trump up a minor incident or just fabricate a reason (Iraq war, anyone?) rather than allow an attack that would cripple the American navy. Not to mention that FDR, along with thousands of government officials, would have to be fine with allowing the attack in the first place. All in all, it's a conspiracy theory at the level of 9/11-truthers, of which the possibility would be entertained by no one at least remotely not retarded for more than an attosecond.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    08 Dec '16 15:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    IF FDR was trying to sell a war, what better way then to allow a devastating attack that he anticipated the US could recover from?
    Was that why the entire Pacific Fleet was put on "war imminent" alert?:

    As received at Pearl Harbor headquarters over a week before the attack. Another more explicit warning from Washington DC arrived four days before the attack:

    "November 27, 1941 - This despatch is to be considered a war warning. Negotiations with Japan looking toward stabilization of conditions in the Pacific have ceased and an aggressive move by Japan is expected within the next few days.

    http://www.wtj.com/articles/pearl_harbor/index.htm
  15. 08 Dec '16 16:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Was that why the entire Pacific Fleet was put on "war imminent" alert?:

    As received at Pearl Harbor headquarters over a week before the attack. Another more explicit warning from Washington DC arrived four days before the attack:

    "November 27, 1941 - This despatch is to be considered a war warning. Negotiations with Japan looking toward stabilizati ...[text shortened]... pan is expected within the next few days.

    http://www.wtj.com/articles/pearl_harbor/index.htm
    Why then did the US navy use the Japanese code to win at Midway and not at Pearl Harbor?

    What exactly was the difference here?

    Of course, everyone knows that the US prodded Japan into war and knew it was coming. The question becomes, how did they not intercept the Japanese code to be ready at Pearl Harbor like they were at Midway?

    If the attack on Pearl Harbor had not managed to inflict much damage, would it have caused Americans to favor war as it did when the entire fleet was essentially wiped out in a "surprise" attack?