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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    03 Feb '13 23:25
    Mark Kirk (R-IL), who was among those swept into power in the 2010 midterms has joined Kriten Gillinbrand (D-NY) to introduce legislation that would make gun trafficking a federal crime.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2013/01/sens_mark_kirk_gillibrand_intr.html

    At the moment, the bill seems aimed at gun activities that were already largely illegal and does not seem as though it will be overly controversial.

    However, it it significant that for the first time in the wake of the Newtown massacre, a bipartisan gun control bill is introduced in the Senate?
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    03 Feb '13 23:36
    Originally posted by sh76
    Mark Kirk (R-IL), who was among those swept into power in the 2010 midterms has joined Kriten Gillinbrand (D-NY) to introduce legislation that would make gun trafficking a federal crime.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2013/01/sens_mark_kirk_gillibrand_intr.html

    At the moment, the bill seems aimed at gun activities that were already largely illegal and do ...[text shortened]... in the wake of the Newtown massacre, a bipartisan gun control bill is introduced in the Senate?
    Why have a redundant gun law? Too many laws already. What does this one do?
  3. 04 Feb '13 00:44
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Why have a redundant gun law? Too many laws already. What does this one do?
    Reading the link:

    "... there is no federal law that enables law enforcement to investigate and prosecute those who traffic these firearms. None of our laws are directly focused on preventing someone from one state to drive to another state with stricter gun laws, park their car in a parking lot, and sell hundreds of firearms out of the back of their trunk to criminals."
  4. 04 Feb '13 01:04
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Why have a redundant gun law? Too many laws already. What does this one do?
    It keeps us all safe and feeling good about ourselves.
  5. 04 Feb '13 01:16
    Originally posted by sh76
    Mark Kirk (R-IL), who was among those swept into power in the 2010 midterms has joined Kriten Gillinbrand (D-NY) to introduce legislation that would make gun trafficking a federal crime.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2013/01/sens_mark_kirk_gillibrand_intr.html

    At the moment, the bill seems aimed at gun activities that were already largely illegal and do ...[text shortened]... in the wake of the Newtown massacre, a bipartisan gun control bill is introduced in the Senate?
    Obviously, the NRA and Republican survivalists will oppose the legislation.
  6. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    04 Feb '13 01:40
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Obviously, the NRA and Republican survivalists will oppose the legislation.
    That pesky Constitution...
  7. 04 Feb '13 04:06
    Originally posted by sh76
    Mark Kirk (R-IL), who was among those swept into power in the 2010 midterms has joined Kriten Gillinbrand (D-NY) to introduce legislation that would make gun trafficking a federal crime.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2013/01/sens_mark_kirk_gillibrand_intr.html

    At the moment, the bill seems aimed at gun activities that were already largely illegal and do ...[text shortened]... in the wake of the Newtown massacre, a bipartisan gun control bill is introduced in the Senate?
    Yea, but is there a bipartisan bill requiring security at the schools?
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    04 Feb '13 14:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Yea, but is there a bipartisan bill requiring security at the schools?
    What kind of a bill do you want? A bill that requires an armed guard at every school? Aside from its very questionable wisdom, who is going to pay for that?
  9. 04 Feb '13 15:07
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    That pesky Constitution...
    The constitution says gun trafficking should be legal?
  10. 04 Feb '13 16:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    What kind of a bill do you want? A bill that requires an armed guard at every school? Aside from its very questionable wisdom, who is going to pay for that?
    An armed teacher in every classroom is what I have in mind. Also there needs to be a weapons check at the door. The school district will have to budget for it. They have been tearing down perfectly good schools we plenty of capacity and spending money to have new ones built. They have no problem spending money. In many school districts there will have to be a change in how students and faculty enter the facility. If you want to stop the killings in schools there is no other way. Gun control will not stop a crazy person from getting and using firearms. The wisdom is only questionable by the addle minded.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    04 Feb '13 16:19
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    An armed teacher in every classroom is what I have in mind. Also there needs to be a weapons check at the door. The school district will have to budget for it. They have been tearing down perfectly good schools we plenty of capacity and spending money to have new ones built. They have no problem spending money. In many school districts there will have to ...[text shortened]... azy person from getting and using firearms. The wisdom is only questionable by the addle minded.
    An armed teacher in every classroom??

    Okay, but what if the teacher snaps? What if the assailant bursts into the classroom and shoots the teacher first?
  12. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    04 Feb '13 16:22
    Originally posted by sh76
    Mark Kirk (R-IL), who was among those swept into power in the 2010 midterms has joined Kriten Gillinbrand (D-NY) to introduce legislation that would make gun trafficking a federal crime.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2013/01/sens_mark_kirk_gillibrand_intr.html

    At the moment, the bill seems aimed at gun activities that were already largely illegal and do ...[text shortened]... in the wake of the Newtown massacre, a bipartisan gun control bill is introduced in the Senate?
    2 positive things happened here. 1. A small step to reduce gun violence, and 2. The Senate has started to act as adults rather than squabbling children. I'm impressed.
  13. 04 Feb '13 16:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    An armed teacher in every classroom??

    Okay, but what if the teacher snaps? What if the assailant bursts into the classroom and shoots the teacher first?
    The teachers in the other classrooms will hear gunfire and contain the situation to the one classroom. If the teacher snaps then the other teachers will have to respond to minimize the casualties. The way it is now someone could kill an awful lot of people in a school and keep in mind there could be a group of crazies getting together and stopping an escape route while others are sweeping the classrooms. They had better get on this issue and fast. How many teachers have snapped and killed student anyway?
  14. 04 Feb '13 16:25
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    That pesky Constitution...
    The constitution should be updated to reflect
    modern times and modern thinking.


    Otherwise the NRA would stand for

    Nigga Retention Association.

    Slavery is gone.

    Your tyrannical rulers are gone.

    For God's sake don't you understand that
    there would be less killing if it were more
    difficult to get guns?
  15. 04 Feb '13 16:42
    Originally posted by JS357
    Reading the link:

    "... there is no federal law that enables law enforcement to investigate and prosecute those who traffic these firearms. None of our laws are directly focused on preventing someone from one state to drive to another state with stricter gun laws, park their car in a parking lot, and sell hundreds of firearms out of the back of their trunk to criminals."
    There are however plenty of local and state laws to prevent that activity.