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  1. Standard membershavixmir
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    23 Nov '16 15:46
    How serious does everyone reckon this is?
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    23 Nov '16 15:50
    About as serious as other forms of voter fraud.

    Obama encouraged illegal aliens to vote. I read an account that 3 million illegal alien votes were cast.

    I don't know how many dead people voted.
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    23 Nov '16 15:52
    Originally posted by Eladar
    About as serious as other forms of voter fraud.

    Obama encouraged illegal aliens to vote. I read an account that 3 million illegal alien votes were cast.

    I don't know how many dead people voted.
    And you voted.
  4. Standard membersh76
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    23 Nov '16 15:551 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    How serious does everyone reckon this is?
    Nate Silver tweeted last night (with supporting documentation for each tweet):

    To follow: some *very* quick analysis which suggests the claim here of rigged results in Wisconsin is probably BS:

    Run a regression on Wisc. counties with >=50K people, and you find that Clinton improved more in counties with only paper ballots. HOWEVER:

    ...the effect COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS once you control for race and education levels, the key factors in predicting vote shifts this year.

    Maybe a more complicated analysis would reveal something, but usually bad news when a finding can't survive a basic sanity check like this.

    Nothing in Pennsylvania, either, whether or not you control for demographics.

    And Michigan has paper ballots everywhere, so not even sure what claim is being made there.

    Good chance there'll be a whole cottage industry of "STATISTICS PROFESSOR PROVES ELECTION RIGGED" posts at HuffPost, etc., though.


    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538


    In other words, this statistician and self-described liberal is calling the entire idea unsupported and implying that the people supporting it are mere crybabies.
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    24 Nov '16 00:32
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    How serious does everyone reckon this is?
    My take on it is that it is a system that is at the mercy of it handlers. Probably no way to prove voter fraud or recount votes, especially when they built by a Soros owned company. That being said the MSM has given little air time on the matter and no investigative jounalism on the subject. To me that is a red flag. I have no way to prove anything about them but tend to believe they are nothing more than an invention to usurp our democracy. The MSM gave plenty of air time to the hanging chads and that whole mess in order to bring the system in. What do you think?
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    24 Nov '16 02:421 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    About as serious as other forms of voter fraud.

    Obama encouraged illegal aliens to vote. I read an account that 3 million illegal alien votes were cast.

    I don't know how many dead people voted.
    Any scholarly sources to back up your 3 false witness claims? info-wars is not a scholarly source.
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    24 Nov '16 03:28
    Originally posted by KingDavid403
    Any scholarly sources to back up your 3 false witness claims? info-wars is not a scholarly source.
    Info Wars is not a scholarly source for I am KingDavid403 and what I say goes. What a crock. Sounds like this guy is hopeing Soros will notice him so he can get a payday. What a shill what a shill I tell ya. LOL
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    24 Nov '16 04:34
    Was it on the BBC I saw Snowden showing how easy it was to hack the voting system?
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    24 Nov '16 04:40
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Was it on the BBC I saw Snowden showing how easy it was to hack the voting system?
    I don't know but there were many incidents of vote switching. They came to work on the machines and after that there was no feedback as to how the machines registered their vote.
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    24 Nov '16 05:401 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    How serious does everyone reckon this is?
    I think it is serious that we take photo ID seriously as a means to help prevent it, people's
    votes should include a means to prove who they are and that they are real. There should
    also be a means to validate each vote so the voter's vote can be verified.
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    24 Nov '16 13:03
    "Voting fraud" is the big fear tactic that the Republicans have to trot out so that they have some excuse, however feeble, to justify suppressing the liberal vote.
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    24 Nov '16 13:113 edits
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Info Wars is not a scholarly source for I am KingDavid403 and what I say goes. What a crock. Sounds like this guy is hopeing Soros will notice him so he can get a payday. What a shill what a shill I tell ya. LOL
    You have to have an education above grade school to know what a scholarly source is, which is why you do not. WIKI is not a scholarly source either as I, you, or anyone, can personally go in there and change what is written and re-write it ourselves. However, it is fairly accurate most of the time.
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    24 Nov '16 13:57
    Originally posted by sh76
    In other words, this statistician and self-described liberal is calling the entire idea unsupported and implying that the people supporting it are mere crybabies.
    And this is the closest thing to the truth you'll ever hear from a conservative on this issue.

    What do you think is more heinous, the miniscule possibility of "voter fraud" or the very real and documented suppression of the Constitutionally-granted right to vote that Republicans practice against Democrats in this country? From gerrymandering congressional districts based on US Census data to stripping blacks, hispanics and Asians from the voter rolls to a preponderance of punitive and egregious voter ID requirements (all in the name of "defending against 'voter fraud' " ), Republicans have waged war on Democrats' Constitutional voting rights ever since Reagan.

    The Republican end-game for all this is illustrated by the fact that 32 out of 50 states now have Republican legislatures. Article V of the US Constitution requires application of 2/3 of the state legislatures (34) in order for Congress to call for a Constitutional Convention to amend the US Constitution. And then, all bets are off.
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    24 Nov '16 13:58
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    "Voting fraud" is the big fear tactic that the Republicans have to trot out so that they have some excuse, however feeble, to justify suppressing the liberal vote.
    Voting fraud is committed almost entirely by the left which is why we hear more about it from the right. The only thing to fear about it is that the libtards would like to suppress democracy. They would like to have the communist gay transgender murdering abortion slavery appologists tell the rest of the nation how to live, think, breathe and what color underwear to wear. Sickening isn't it.
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    24 Nov '16 14:044 edits
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    And this is the closest thing to the truth you'll ever hear from a conservative on this issue.

    What do you think is more heinous, the miniscule possibility of "voter fraud" or the very real and documented suppression of the Constitutionally-granted right to vote that Republicans practice against Democrats in this country? From gerrymandering congression ...[text shortened]... call for a Constitutional Convention to amend the US Constitution. And then, all bets are off.
    ===What do you think is more heinous, the miniscule possibility of "voter fraud"===

    I agree that there's generally not much problem of voter fraud. Again borrowing from Nate Silver, I think people should be able to vote "in your house with a mouse."


    === or the very real and documented suppression of the Constitutionally-granted right to vote that Republicans practice against Democrats in this country?===

    This is also way overblown.

    === From gerrymandering congressional districts based on US Census data===

    Let's not get so sanctimonious. Democrats gerrymander plenty as well. Gerrymandering based on race is unconstitutional, but political gerrymandering is not. Where I sit right now used to be a Republican congressional seat and the New York Democrats gerrymandered away the seat by stretching the district on a weird angle all the way down to the Bronx just to pick up enough Dem votes to ensure that it stays Dem forever. This happened in the 90's. Now that Rockland and Westchester are solid Dem, they took the Bronx part out of the district so as not to waster those Dem votes where they're not needed.

    As it happens, Republicans control more states and so they can do more gerrymandering, but pretending Democrats don't gerrymander also is absurd.


    === to stripping blacks, hispanics and Asians from the voter rolls to a preponderance of punitive and egregious voter ID requirements (all in the name of "defending against 'voter fraud' " ), Republicans have waged war on Democrats' Constitutional voting rights ever since Reagan. ===

    Overblown generalities. There's as little evidence of widespread and persistent voter suppression as there is of voter fraud.
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