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    The US presidential election is historic, because the American people were able to defeat the oligarchs. Hillary Clinton, an agent for the Oligarchy, was defeated despite the vicious media campaign against Donald Trump. This shows that the media and the political establishments of the political parties no longer have credibility with the American people.

    It remains to be seen whether Trump can select and appoint a government that will serve him and his goals to restore American jobs and to establish friendly and respectful relations with Russia, China, Syria, and Iran.

    It also remains to be seen how the Oligarchy will respond to Trump’s victory. Wall Street and the Federal Reserve can cause an economic crisis in order to put Trump on the defensive, and they can use the crisis to force Trump to appoint one of their own as Secretary of the Treasury. Rogue agents in the CIA and Pentagon can cause a false flag attack that would disrupt friendly relations with Russia. Trump could make a mistake and retain neoconservatives in his government.

    With Trump there is at least hope. Unless Trump is obstructed by bad judgment in his appointments and by obstacles put in his way, we should expect an end to Washington’s orchestrated conflict with Russia, the removal of the US missiles on Russia’s border with Poland and Romania, the end of the conflict in Ukraine, and the end of Washington’s effort to overthrow the Syrian government. However, achievements such as these imply the defeat of the US Oligarchy. Although Trump defeated Hillary, the Oligarchy still exists and is still powerful.

    Trump said that he no longer sees the point of NATO 25 years after the Soviet collapse. If he sticks to his view, it means a big political change in Washington’s EU vassals. The hostility toward Russia of the current EU and NATO officials would have to cease. German Chancellor Merkel would have to change her spots or be replaced. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg would have to be dismissed.

    We do not know who Trump will select to serve in his government. It is likely that Trump is unfamiliar with the various possibilities and their positions on issues. It really depends on who is advising Trump and what advice they give him. Once we see his government, we will know whether we can be hopeful for the changes that now have a chance.

    If the oligarchy is unable to control Trump and he is actually successful in curbing the power and budget of the military/security complex and in holding the financial sector politically accountable, Trump could be assassinated.

    Trump said that he will put Hillary in prison. He should first put her on trial for treason and war crimes along with all of the neoconservatives. That would clear the decks for peace with the other two major nuclear powers over whom the neoconservatives seek hegemony. Although the neoconservatives would still have contacts in the hidden deep state, it would make it difficult for the vermin to organize false flag operations or an assassination. Rogue elements in the military/security complex could still bring off an assassination, but without neocons in the government a coverup would be more difficult.

    Trump has more understanding and insight than his opponents realize. For a man such as Trump to risk acquiring so many powerful enemies and to risk his wealth and reputation, he had to have known that the people’s dissatisfaction with the ruling establishment meant he could be elected president.

    We won’t know what to expect until we see who are the Secretaries and Assistant Secretaries. If it is the usual crowd, we will know Trump has been captured.

    A happy lasting result of the election is the complete discrediting of the US media. The media predicted an easy Hillary victory and even Democratic Party control of the US Senate. Even more important to the media’s loss of influence and credibility, despite the vicious media attack on Trump throughout the presidential primaries and presidential campaign, the media had no effect outside the Northeast and West coasts, the stomping grounds of the One Percent. The rest of the country ignored the media.

    I did not think the Oligarchy would allow Trump to win. However, it seems that the oligarchs were deceived by their own media propaganda. Assured that Hillary was the sure winner, they were unprepared to put into effect plans to steal the election.

    Hillary is down, but not the Oligarchs. If Trump is advised to be conciliatory, to hold out his hand, and to take the establishment into his government, the American people will again be disappointed. In a country whose institutions have been so completely corrupted by the Oligarchy, it is difficult to achieve real change without bloodshed.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-11/hillary-down-not-oligarchs-yet
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    11 Nov '16 10:581 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The US presidential election is historic, because the American people were able to defeat the oligarchs. Hillary Clinton, an agent for the Oligarchy, was defeated despite the vicious media campaign against Donald Trump. This shows that the media and the political establishments of the political parties no longer have credibility with the American p ...[text shortened]... ge without bloodshed.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-11/hillary-down-not-oligarchs-yet
    The very same website also re-ran this article:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/election-had-no-winner

    It seems they run a strange combination of partisan and non-partisan material.

    The last paragraph of this article is this:

    "There are no more “winners” in these elections, not the puppets who are given the privilege of sitting in office, and certainly not the electorates whom these puppets routinely betray. To believe that a Donald Trump presidency will be any better, with his Goldman Sachs stooge and Washington insider, is naivety of the highest order."
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    11 Nov '16 11:14
    Trump's already stacking his economic team with Wall Street insiders... I mean, anti-establishment Goldman Sachs bankers of course!

    The Wall Street elites just got voted into the White House (of course, they would have been either way) and the people angry with them are happy about it. I pity the Trump voters (at least, those that didn't vote Trump 'cause they are racists) because they will be sorely disappointed.
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    11 Nov '16 13:061 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Trump's already stacking his economic team with Wall Street insiders... I mean, anti-establishment Goldman Sachs bankers of course!

    The Wall Street elites just got voted into the White House (of course, they would have been either way) and the people angry with them are happy about it. I pity the Trump voters (at least, those that didn't vote Trump 'cause they are racists) because they will be sorely disappointed.
    Hillary would surely disappoint. With Trump we will see. I do believe Trump has connections with the banking cartel. He may be stacking the deck so we don't have an economic collapse while he is making other changes and saving the Federal Reserve for last. If he ends up disappointing then there will be another election. Hopefully it won't take 8 years to finaly see him go like it did Obama if he is a POS.
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    11 Nov '16 13:43
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The US presidential election is historic, because the American people were able to defeat the oligarchs. Hillary Clinton, an agent for the Oligarchy, was defeated despite the vicious media campaign against Donald Trump. This shows that the media and the political establishments of the political parties no longer have credibility with the American p ...[text shortened]... ge without bloodshed.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-11/hillary-down-not-oligarchs-yet
    Your self-delusion that a billionaire isn't part and parcel of the oligarchs, global economic elite or whatever is amusing.

    You fell for the con; here's the Donald in practice:

    President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.
    Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.
    Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.
    Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.
    Mr. Trump was swept to power in large part by white working-class voters who responded to his vow to restore the voices of forgotten people, ones drowned out by big business and Wall Street. But in his transition to power, some of the most prominent voices will be those of advisers who come from the same industries for which they are being asked to help set the regulatory groundwork.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-they%E2%80%99re-on-his-transition-team/ar-AAk9Rg3?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp

    And so it goes.
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    11 Nov '16 13:44
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Your self-delusion that a billionaire isn't part and parcel of the oligarchs, global economic elite or whatever is amusing.

    You fell for the con; here's the Donald in practice:

    President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he ha ...[text shortened]... w-they%E2%80%99re-on-his-transition-team/ar-AAk9Rg3?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp

    And so it goes.
    Hillary is part of the elite crowd.
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    11 Nov '16 13:49
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Hillary is part of the elite crowd.
    Surely she is.

    And so is Trump.
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    11 Nov '16 14:471 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Your self-delusion that a billionaire isn't part and parcel of the oligarchs, global economic elite or whatever is amusing.

    You fell for the con; here's the Donald in practice:

    President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he ha ...[text shortened]... w-they%E2%80%99re-on-his-transition-team/ar-AAk9Rg3?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp

    And so it goes.
    Its not a delusion. I am aware of it and Mr. Trump himself has publicly admitted to such, however I am not the subject of the article.

    If it is true then Mr. Trumps rhetoric about draining the cesspool of corruption is empty rhetoric.
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    11 Nov '16 14:48
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    The very same website also re-ran this article:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/election-had-no-winner

    It seems they run a strange combination of partisan and non-partisan material.

    The last paragraph of this article is this:

    "There are no more “winners” in these elections, not the puppets who are given the privilege of sitting in offic ...[text shortened]... better, with his Goldman Sachs stooge and Washington insider, is naivety of the highest order."
    Perhaps you have a point although it remains to be seen.
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    11 Nov '16 19:05
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Perhaps you have a point although it remains to be seen.
    The perils of copy/pasting when you don't read it all the way through.
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    11 Nov '16 19:501 edit
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    The perils of copy/pasting when you don't read it all the way through.
    I did read it through, twice. Suzianne is quoting from a different article which I have also read but it appears you don't know that. The perils of trying to put the boot in when you should simply engage in reasoning.
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    11 Nov '16 21:50
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I did read it through, twice. Suzianne is quoting from a different article which I have also read but it appears you don't know that. The perils of trying to put the boot in when you should simply engage in reasoning.
    Reasoning with you is like pushing water uphill with a rake.
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    11 Nov '16 21:52
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Surely she is.

    And so is Trump.
    So they are equal as far as being elitist goes, we will see if Trump supports terrorism as Hillary did. If he does not then we have a better choice with Trump. I am sure Trump can handle classified information better and got his riches a lot more honestly than Hillary got hers. He says he wants a better deal for our workers and so do other workers. Oh…. thats it isn't it? Most of the dems are not workers and want the hand outs isn't it. Kazet said he hasn't worked a hard day in his life, how about the rest of the commies on this site? Well maybe Trump can get a fair shake for those willing to work when he taxes the imports and rebuilds our infrastructure. Coal miners back to work and everything. I doubt that will help much with those who are unwilling to work but those that do regardless of race will benefit. And what about world war 3? Are the protesters such war mongers as to be cannon fodder for the elites? Or are they just plain ignorant. Probably both. The oligarchs are still with us and will undoubtedly try to rule from the shadows. This is where Trump can make the biggest difference. Right now Trump needs them. The system is too far gone now and will take time to break the grip. Take a look at BREXIT. Same thing there. Brittain is too far into the system too be able to get out all at once. The effort will be sandbagged by the elites but we shal see what comes of it as we will see what comes of the US NWO entanglement.
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    11 Nov '16 22:05
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    So they are equal as far as being elitist goes, we will see if Trump supports terrorism as Hillary did. If he does not then we have a better choice with Trump. I am sure Trump can handle classified information better and got his riches a lot more honestly than Hillary got hers. He says he wants a better deal for our workers and so do other workers. Oh…. t ...[text shortened]... he elites but we shal see what comes of it as we will see what comes of the US NWO entanglement.
    This ridiculous ranting is filled with so many untruths it's not worth responding to.

    You live in a fantasy world.
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    11 Nov '16 22:11
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    This ridiculous ranting is filled with so many untruths it's not worth responding to.

    You live in a fantasy world.
    At least it's true that I haven't worked hard a day in my life - I like my job. Coal miners get paid more than I do though.
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