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  1. Zugzwang
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    18 Sep '18 21:28
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/books/review/jason-stanley-how-fascism-works.html

    "Is Donald Trump a Fascist?"

    _How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them_
    by Jason Stanley

    "Stanley’s approach has its costs. He emphasizes the similarities between
    myriad “fascist” parties and regimes without adequately acknowledging their differences.
    Nor does he adequately distinguish between conservative or right-wing politics and fascism."

    "But if Stanley’s lumping is sometimes a weakness, it also accounts for
    his book’s conceptual power. By placing Trump in transnational and
    transhistorical perspective, Stanley sees patterns that others miss.
    He notes the apparent paradox that Trump — like many fascist politicians — rode
    to power in part by attacking government “corruption,” yet practices it
    even more brazenly himself. The explanation, Stanley suggests, lies in
    what fascists actually mean by the term. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,”
    he argues, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of law...."

    "Stanley’s comparative perspective is particularly effective in illustrating
    how fascists use fears of sexual violence. He notes that fascist politicians,
    who portray themselves as defenders of a pure, mythic, patriarchal past,
    frequently play on fears that alien groups pose a sexual threat."

    "Citing a 2017 study in the journal Cognition, he observes that
    “judgments of normality are affected both by what people think is
    statistically normal and what they think is ideally normal.”

    "By calling Trump a “fascist” — a word that strikes many Americans as
    alien and extreme — Stanley is trying to spark public alarm. He doesn’t want
    Americans to respond to Trump’s racist, authoritarian offensives by moving
    their moral goal posts. The greater danger, he suggests, isn’t hyperbole, it’s normalization."
  2. Behind the scenes
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    18 Sep '18 22:03
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/books/review/jason-stanley-how-fascism-works.html

    "Is Donald Trump a Fascist?"

    _How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them_
    by Jason Stanley

    "Stanley’s approach has its costs. He emphasizes the similarities between
    myriad “fascist” parties and regimes without adequately acknowledging their differences. ...[text shortened]...
    their moral goal posts. The greater danger, he suggests, isn’t hyperbole, it’s normalization."
    Is Donald Trump a Fascist?


    It's possible, but I don't know. The way Trump's legal situation is going however he may very well become a prison inmate.
  3. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    18 Sep '18 23:18
    What politician isn't anti-corruption, at least in the opinions they present to the public sphere?

    What politician doesn't want us to rightfully fear & abhor sexual violence?

    And you got to love how this is suddenly not about actual ideology and stances on things, right, because when someone is objectively not a fascist, it doesn't matter to Duchy & the Left.

    It just needs to all be reconstructed differently, lol, so that, suddenly, having some amount of superficial similarities to fascists makes you a fascist.

    But guess what?

    You'll never catch Duchy doing this with how left politicians are Stalinists due to their superficial resemblances.
  4. Behind the scenes
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    19 Sep '18 00:32
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    What politician isn't anti-corruption, at least in the opinions they present to the public sphere?

    What politician doesn't want us to rightfully fear & abhor sexual violence?

    And you got to love how this is suddenly not about actual ideology and stances on things, right, because when someone is [i]objectively not a fascist,[/i ...[text shortened]... Duchy doing this with how left politicians are Stalinists due to their superficial resemblances.
    You'll never catch Duchy doing this with how left politicians are Stalinists due to their superficial resemblances.



    Just like you'll never catch Hannity and the boys on FOX News doing this with how right politicians are Fascists due to their superficial resemblances.

    Turnabout is fair play kiddo 😀
  5. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    19 Sep '18 01:16
    Correct.
  6. Zugzwang
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    19 Sep '18 01:48
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    What politician isn't anti-corruption, at least in the opinions they present to the public sphere?

    What politician doesn't want us to rightfully fear & abhor sexual violence?

    And you got to love how this is suddenly not about actual ideology and stances on things, right, because when someone is [i]objectively not a fascist,[/i ...[text shortened]... Duchy doing this with how left politicians are Stalinists due to their superficial resemblances.
    The right-wing troll Philokalia keeps showing his prejudices and poor reading comprehension.

    I quoted a review of a book by Jason Stanley, who regards Donald Trump as a a Fascist.
    I did NOT write that I necessarily agree with Jason Stanley.
    It depends upon how one defines 'Fascist'.
  7. SubscriberSuzianne
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    19 Sep '18 04:50
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Just like you'll never catch Hannity and the boys on FOX News doing this with how right politicians are Fascists due to their superficial resemblances.
    Not so "superficial", actually.
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    19 Sep '18 05:09
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The right-wing troll Philokalia keeps showing his prejudices and poor reading comprehension.

    I quoted a review of a book by Jason Stanley, who regards Donald Trump as a a Fascist.
    I did NOT write that I necessarily agree with Jason Stanley.
    It depends upon how one defines 'Fascist'.
    fascism
    [fash-iz-uh m]
    noun
    (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.


    Even though we have a system in America with checks and balances, there is no doubt to anyone paying attention during the last two years that Trump would love to actually be a dictator with complete power (and often acts as if he is already), even if he isn't one right now. We are getting so close that, even if we can't smell it yet, we can see it on the horizon.

    He already, along with the rest of his party, forcibly suppresses opposition and criticism. He (again, with the help of his party) is certainly trying to regiment all industry, commerce, etc.; just look at how he is trying to restructure our economy with tariffs. And it cannot be denied that he ( again, with the help of his party) certainly emphasizes an aggressive nationalism and racism, along with misogyny and sexism.

    I believe that Angela Merkel opposes him for this very reason, that even though Trump's party may not BE Fascist right now, he's certainly leading this country down that rocky road. And she knows exactly where that road ends up.
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    19 Sep '18 07:13
    Donald trump is a fascist.
    And the more the republicans copy his behaviour, the more fascist the lot if them become.
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    19 Sep '18 07:22
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Donald trump is a fascist.
    And the more the republicans copy his behaviour, the more fascist the lot if them become.
    I just hope they will nix the confirmation of Kavanaugh for many reasons, one of them being from Trump's POV, getting a SCOTUS who will give him a get out of jail card. But that is only one of many problems with this ultra right wing nutter trying to become SCOTUS.

    If K gets confirmed, even after this Ford allegation, it will be a huge step in Trump's plan to take over all three branches of US governance and so be on his way to do stuff like, OOPS, there is a problem with our electoral system and we have to delay the votes by oh, say 20 years or so, put tanks in the streets of America, kill any media writing or video showing negative comments about Trump, close down those anti-American terrorists and let only Faux news be the conduit to what is going on in the world.

    Yessir, a real paradize he would set up if given the chance.
  11. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    19 Sep '18 10:21
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The right-wing troll Philokalia keeps showing his prejudices and poor reading comprehension.

    I quoted a review of a book by Jason Stanley, who regards Donald Trump as a a Fascist.
    I did NOT write that I necessarily agree with Jason Stanley.
    It depends upon how one defines 'Fascist'.
    Oh, OK, so you do not agree with him that much.

    My apologies, my dear Duchess.
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    19 Sep '18 10:374 edits
    a fascist is a socialist within national borders, unlike communists who are socialist with an international aim.

    this is why the title of the nazi movement was the national socialist party and mussolini also had a socialism within italian borders.

    if you knew a bit of european history you would know the streets conflicts in germany in the twenties were fights between german communists and germans communists for control of the german socialist state ( to replace the weak weimer republic ). the german socialists won and drove the reds underground. germany always hated russia and only made a pact with russia in the first years of ww2 in order to put off the day that they would fight it out for the socialist soul of europe.

    no donald trump is a capitalist and not a fascist as he is not a socialist.

    the Left constantly terms their opponents as fascists because they either have learned their history from hollywood movies and because the state that fought them bitterly from their begining was the german socialists hence
    the icon of anti-international leftism has been associated with the nazi movment ( a left win national militarism ).

    it was the german socialist fear of lenin gettting into germany and starting a communist uprising is why he was put on a "sealed train" to pass him thru germany into russia.

    the german socialists who later evolved into the national socialist party ( nazi ) did not want any international socialist in their country.

    read a book.
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    19 Sep '18 13:22
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    a fascist is a socialist within national borders, unlike communists who are socialist with an international aim.

    this is why the title of the nazi movement was the national socialist party and mussolini also had a socialism within italian borders.

    if you knew a bit of european history you would know the streets conflicts in germany in the twentie ...[text shortened]... ialist party ( nazi ) did not want any international socialist in their country.

    read a book.
    Are you calling Franco a socialist?

    Just asking.



    whodey, I think I found your 'Dim'.
  14. Zugzwang
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    19 Sep '18 20:02
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Oh, OK, so you do not agree with him that much.

    My apologies, my dear Duchess.
    Writers vary in how broadly or narrowly they define Fascism.

    If I recall correctly, I read a British biography (sympathetic toward him) of Oswald Mosley,
    the leader of the British Union of Fascists, where the author argued (apparently based
    upon his extremely narrow definition of 'Fascism' ) that Mosley was not a Fascist at all.
  15. Zugzwang
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    19 Sep '18 20:082 edits
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    a fascist is a socialist within national borders, unlike communists who are socialist with an international aim.

    this is why the title of the nazi movement was the national socialist party and mussolini also had a socialism within italian borders.

    if you knew a bit of european history you would know the streets conflicts in germany in the twentie ...[text shortened]... ialist party ( nazi ) did not want any international socialist in their country.

    read a book.
    Another ignorant rant by an arrogant 'history troll'.

    ",,,if you knew a bit of european history..."
    --Mister Moggy

    I know enough about European history to know that Mister-Moggy's full of nonsense and prejudices.

    "germany always hated russia."
    --Mister-Moggy

    FALSE. Prussia and Russia were allies in the wars against Napoleon's France (who had some reluctant German allies).
    Bismarck consistently aimed at cultivating friendship (or least neutrality) with Russia.

    "Read a book."
    --Mister-Moggy

    Absurd right-wing propaganda is not worth reading as much as Mister-Moggy believes.
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